Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: xpert11
Historically, time favours the Russians in their struggles against Napoleon and Hitler's Nazi Germany. In the face of operational and tactical defeats, the Russians fall back on Moscow, await their legendary winters, and tap into their advantages in population/military personnel numbers. Concerning the destruction of the German war machine, the Soviets mastered combined arms and the implementation of consecutive operations [offensives].

The United States was also feeding the Soviets and tremendous amount of material.

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.” Source

The worms didn't pay this back completely for over half a century.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That is an excellent point that highlights how Russia doesn't enjoy equivalent support from China for their war in Ukraine. Also, the importance of Land Lease to the Soviets is an ongoing historical debate. But canned Spam fed Soviet troops, and Studebaker trucks provided the Soviet Armies with mobility.

After the war, the Soviets downplayed or ignored the contributions of American industry, the efforts of the Royal Navy, merchant crews, and the difficulties involved with the Arctic Convoys.

originally posted by: xpert11
That is an excellent point that highlights how Russia doesn't enjoy equivalent support from China for their war in Ukraine.

No, and as a matter of fact the shoe is on the other foot, Ukraine is the beneficiary of Western power and resource. The parallels have the potential to be striking, initial gains will likely be made only to get rolled back as more and more equipment arrives.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The potential exists for the U.S. and Western Countries to mobilise industry and provide Ukraine with the levels of support akin to Lend Lease (1941-41) provided to the Soviet Union and the British Empire. I argue that the Ukrainians can't evict Russian forces from their country until that level of support occurs.

Ample economic opportunities exist from Lend Lease 2.0, including renewed focuses on domestic manufacturing and regional supply chains. Also, if Ukraine persuades Japan to fund that program partially, the issue of how Australia and New Zealand financially support their contributions is partially solved.

a reply to: Grimpachi

The winning side usually has a better idea of how many their enemy is losing because they are left standing to count the dead after the enemy retreats.

The side that isn't doing well would never announce official data or numbers..
It might create issues for them.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The same BBC that faked the Syrian chemical attack in Syria?

6 July update

Key Takeaways

* The Russian Ministry of Defense has not claimed any territorial gains since July 3, supporting the assessment that Russian forces are conducting an operational pause while still engaging in limited ground attacks to set conditions for more significant offensive operations.

* The Kremlin continues to prepare for a protracted war by setting conditions for crypto-mobilization of the economy and largely initiating an operational pause in Ukraine.

* Russian forces conducted offensive operations northwest and east of Slovyansk.

* Russian forces continued efforts to push westward toward Siversk from the Luhansk-Donetsk oblast border.

* Russian forces continued attempts to advance toward Bakhmut from the south.

* Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces conducted unsuccessful ground assaults in northwestern Kherson Oblast.

* Ukrainian forces may be setting conditions for a counteroffensive toward Kherson City.

* Russian forces may be forming a new military unit in Mulino, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.

More at URL above.

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