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SCOTUS Scheculed For Vaccine Mandate Hearing Oral Arguments Friday Jan 7th!

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posted on Jan, 13 2022 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

What?
How am I wrong?


e Supreme Court on Thursday temporarily blocked the Biden administration's vaccine-or-test mandate for large employers, but allowed a vaccine-only mandate for health providers at federally funded facilities.

thehill.com...




SCOTUS ruled the federal mandate was unconstitutional, which is EXACTLY what we've been discussing.

NOT the medicare and federal employee policies, which is a much more complicated issue and requires additional work by lower courts before scotus can rule on the constitutionality of these.

EXACTLY what you and every other democrat have been so vigorously claiming was not the job of scotus (absurd), and that they wouldn't do even if it was their job.






SCOTUS ruled the federal mandate was unconstitutional, which is EXACTLY what we've been discussing.


They did not.


The Supreme Court on Thursday temporarily blocked the Biden administration's vaccine-or-test mandate for large employers, but allowed a vaccine-only mandate for health providers at federally funded facilities.



The high court ruled 6-3 against the Occupational Safety and Health Administration's (OSHA) employer mandate, blocking it from taking effect while other legal challenges play out.



edit on 13-1-2022 by Sookiechacha because: thehill.com...



posted on Jan, 13 2022 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

What?
How am I wrong?


e Supreme Court on Thursday temporarily blocked the Biden administration's vaccine-or-test mandate for large employers, but allowed a vaccine-only mandate for health providers at federally funded facilities.

thehill.com...




SCOTUS ruled the federal mandate was unconstitutional, which is EXACTLY what we've been discussing.

NOT the medicare and federal employee policies, which is a much more complicated issue and requires additional work by lower courts before scotus can rule on the constitutionality of these.

EXACTLY what you and every other democrat have been so vigorously claiming was not the job of scotus (absurd), and that they wouldn't do even if it was their job.






SCOTUS ruled the federal mandate was unconstitutional, which is EXACTLY what we've been discussing.


They did not.


The Supreme Court on Thursday temporarily blocked the Biden administration's vaccine-or-test mandate for large employers, but allowed a vaccine-only mandate for health providers at federally funded facilities.



The high court ruled 6-3 against the Occupational Safety and Health Administration's (OSHA) employer mandate, blocking it from taking effect while other legal challenges play out.





biden's federal OSHA mandate is what WE have been saying was unconstitutional.

SCOTUS just agreed.

medicare and federal employees are an entirely different issue and you know it.

So why the faux celebration?

All you have left in the face of yet another SCOTUS slapdown of the fascist party that calls themselves 'democrats'?

Or do you really not understand the significance of what just happened?


edit on 13-1-2022 by Ghostsdogood because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 13 2022 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
Hahahaha
Aaaaaahahahahahaha
Hahahahaha





“The Court has ruled that my administration cannot use the authority granted to it by Congress to require this measure, but that does not stop me from using my voice as President to advocate for employers to do the right thing to protect Americans’ health and economy,” Joe Biden


Even mr biden says your wrong

Ahahahahaha
Aaaaaahahahahahaha



posted on Jan, 13 2022 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Or do you really not understand the significance of what just happened?


Most likely option.




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posted on Jan, 13 2022 @ 06:12 PM
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Joe Biden's voice?

Hahahahhhhahahahahahahahha

Who the freak listens to Joe?

Hahahahahahahahahahhhhahhaha



posted on Jan, 13 2022 @ 07:04 PM
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unconstitoot-inal




posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 01:32 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

SCOTUS upheld the stay on OSHA's mandate and lifted the stay on HHS's mandate. SCOTUS did not say that an OSHA mandate was "unconstitutional" but the HHS mandate is "constitutional. They said that HHS has the authority to address public health with their mandate, while OSHA doesn't without clear authority from Congress.

Biden's statement tells me that he isn't going to try to narrow or rework the mandate or petition Congress for an emergency rule, to repair the issues with the SCOTUS' opinion that the mandate dips into public health issues outside the workplace. They didn't rule that federal agencies policing public health is unconstitutional. They didn't rule that federal vaccine mandates are unconstitutional, which is what you were hoping for.



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

SCOTUS upheld the stay on OSHA's mandate and lifted the stay on HHS's mandate. SCOTUS did not say that an OSHA mandate was "unconstitutional" but the HHS mandate is "constitutional. They said that HHS has the authority to address public health with their mandate, while OSHA doesn't without clear authority from Congress.

Biden's statement tells me that he isn't going to try to narrow or rework the mandate or petition Congress for an emergency rule, to repair the issues with the SCOTUS' opinion that the mandate dips into public health issues outside the workplace. They didn't rule that federal agencies policing public health is unconstitutional. They didn't rule that federal vaccine mandates are unconstitutional, which is what you were hoping for.


SCOTUS listed SEVERAL reasons the mandate is unconstitutional, perhaps you should read the actual decision.



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 09:29 AM
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SCOTUS listed SEVERAL reasons the mandate is unconstitutional


They did not.

They had statutory differences with the Biden Administration's interpretation of emergency powers. They didn't agree that Covid 19 is an occupational hazard for all employees, because the risks exist outside the workplace as well. They upheld the OSHA stay while the case continues to go through the lower courts. Their ruling was based on the opinion that the OSHA mandate, as written, will be successful in court, therefore the stay stands.

They said the mandate was too broad, that landscapers would be under the same rules as meat packers, according to Justice Barret. They actually left the door open for the Biden Administration to rework the order, narrow it down to affect the working environments most effected by the disease. They opined that as it is written is serves as blanket public health legislative reach around.


The Court, however, left the door open for more targeted regulations. They wrote:
“That is not to say OSHA lacks authority to regulate occupation-specific risks related to COVID–19. Where the virus poses a special danger because of the particular features of an employee’s job or workplace, targeted regulations are plainly permissible. We do not doubt, for example, that OSHA could regulate researchers who work with the COVID–19 virus. So too could OSHA regulate risks associated with working in particularly crowded or cramped environments.”


Biden could ask Congress to declare Covid an occupational hazard, or he could rework the order. But it doesn't appear that he has the appetite to do so.

If SCOTUS had ruled the OSHA mandate unconstitutional, that would be the end of it, and the case wouldn't still be in the lower courts.




edit on 14-1-2022 by Sookiechacha because: www.forconstructionpros.com...



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 12:28 PM
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read all about who says what and when about who>>>>>>>>>>🤣


2021 SCOTUS rulings



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


Permitting OSHA to regulate the hazards of daily life — simply because most Americans have jobs and face those same risks while on the clock — would significantly expand OSHA’s regulatory authority without clear congressional authorization


www.washingtonexaminer.com...


Clearly unconstitutional

Too funny you attempt English to English translate a different outcome than what your president has
described to you.

As to what biden asks congress for, they haven't given him any other things he wants, why would this be different?
Lol
I thought trump was a punching bag, this guy is getting beat to death and you people refuse to stop it.
Your utter hatred for biden is impressive.



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody




SCOTUS listed SEVERAL reasons the mandate is unconstitutional


They did not.

They had statutory differences with the Biden Administration's interpretation of emergency powers. They didn't agree that Covid 19 is an occupational hazard for all employees, because the risks exist outside the workplace as well. They upheld the OSHA stay while the case continues to go through the lower courts. Their ruling was based on the opinion that the OSHA mandate, as written, will be successful in court, therefore the stay stands.

They said the mandate was too broad, that landscapers would be under the same rules as meat packers, according to Justice Barret. They actually left the door open for the Biden Administration to rework the order, narrow it down to affect the working environments most effected by the disease. They opined that as it is written is serves as blanket public health legislative reach around.


The Court, however, left the door open for more targeted regulations. They wrote:
“That is not to say OSHA lacks authority to regulate occupation-specific risks related to COVID–19. Where the virus poses a special danger because of the particular features of an employee’s job or workplace, targeted regulations are plainly permissible. We do not doubt, for example, that OSHA could regulate researchers who work with the COVID–19 virus. So too could OSHA regulate risks associated with working in particularly crowded or cramped environments.”


Biden could ask Congress to declare Covid an occupational hazard, or he could rework the order. But it doesn't appear that he has the appetite to do so.

If SCOTUS had ruled the OSHA mandate unconstitutional, that would be the end of it, and the case wouldn't still be in the lower courts.




SCOTUS ruled the existing mandate unconstitutional.

They left the door open for democrats to pass the mandate legally, because that hasn't been tried yet and SCOTUS doesn't rule on things that 'might' happen.

Democrats KNOW that passing such a mandate through congress would immediately lead to another SCOTUS review, so they haven't even tried that.

They likely won't ever try it, and it won't work eve. If they did.



Why keep trying to lie about this?

Even biden admitted it yesterday.



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 02:05 PM
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SCOTUS ruled the existing mandate unconstitutional.


Nope. SCOTUS has a statutory disagreement with the Biden administration's assertion that COVID 19 is an occupational hazard.


It is the text of the agency’s Organic Act that repeatedly makes clear that OSHA is charged with regulating “occupational” hazards and the safety and health of “employees.”
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The Solicitor General does not dispute that OSHA is limited to regulating “work-related dangers.” Response Brief for OSHA in No. 21A244 etc., p. 45 (OSHA Response). She instead argues that the risk of contracting COVID–19 qualifies as such a danger. We cannot agree. Although COVID–19 is a risk that occurs in many workplaces, it is not an occupational hazard in most. COVID–19 can and does spread at home, in schools, during sporting events, and everywhere else that people gather.
www.supremecourt.gov...

So you see, if SCOTUS believed that COVID 19 WAS an occupational hazard, the mandate would be in effect.


It isn't a matter of whether or not the mandate is constitutional, it's a matter of whether or not COVID 19 is an occupational hazard, first.

Then they also took issue with the broadness of the mandate, and how it didn't address the different kind of employment situation, high risk vs low risk. At this point Biden could narrow the mandate down and define the most at risk employment environments, if he wanted to. He doesn't seem to want to, which is fine by me.



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody




Clearly unconstitutional


Maybe. But they didn't rule that the mandate was unconstitutional. They upheld the lower court's stay on the basis that they believed the stay was justified because they didn't believe the case would prevail in the lower courts. They didn't actually rule on the mandate, they ruled on the temporary stay.


Agreeing that applicants are likely to prevail, we grant their applications and stay the rule.

www.supremecourt.gov...

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posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

These mandates are such great way if you want to lose millions of possible new workers, or your old regulars.




they ruled on the temporary stay.

Nothing is temporary like govt taxes right?
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posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
They said the stay was appropriate because the mandate is unconstitutional.
Its why the stay was granted in the first place with the lower court.






posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody



They said the stay was appropriate because the mandate is unconstitutional.


Can you cite in the majority opinion where they ruled the mandate unconstitutional?



posted on Jan, 15 2022 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
Yeah
It was 6-3
It is what they do.




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