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posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Nunyabizisit

How true!


I LOVE China.


They are a wonderful and capable people and country. No doubt about it.


I pray it's citizens can eventually rid themselves and the world of the evil scourge of CCP.


Hear hear!



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: chr0naut

"Have you considered that you might be just a little bit racist?"

Have you ever considered that everyone here knows you will shill for CCP on every subject?

Or that your propaganda efforts are now powerless here?

Nothing more than a minor nuisance.


I don't "shill for the CCP".

Blaming a country, culture, or ethnicity for something over which they have no control, is racist. There are a lot of people on ATS that do that.

In the case of nearly every thread related to COVID-19, there is always someone who mentions China, which is probably the source of the initial virus. This is entirely unhelpful. No amount of blaming will remedy the situation.

The situation within the US, is entirely related to the responses of the citizens and authorities within the US. China won't fix it for them.




NO.

China, as a result of what CCP did, is responsible for many things, including covid issues.

They WILL face consequences at some point.

How significant those consequences are depends primarily on how ccp behaves from this point forward, and current indications are extremely bad.

The fact that we are talking about a country does NOT make this racist.

Not in ANY way.

Has NOTHING to do with race, has EVERYTHING to do with what CCP has done.



Nice CCP shill attempt again.

You aren't likely to find anyone to agree with you outside of China, and not that many within China (other than ccp).

Would be saying EXACTLY the same things if ANY other country had done what ccp did.



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut

chr0naut, I respect you as an ATS contributor and have found you to be a well informed and intelligent person.

However, this statement is utter crap




Honestly, China has little to do with the current situation and vaccines and the epidemic spread in other countries.

Have you considered that you might be just a little bit racist?


It isn't racism to point out the fact that this bug came from China. Nor is it "racist" to point out that the communist party restricted travel domestically, but still let thousands of flights depart to the rest of the world from infected areas. Nor is it racist to illustrate the communist party's stream of lies, suppression of physicians and truth-speakers and attempts to muddy the waters as to its origin.

Finally...China isn't a race! Hating China is nationalism, not racism. But most folks do not hate China, they hate the communist party of China. I for one love the real China, the Republic of China, what some call Taiwan. But, I despise communist china's existence and prefer they would stop it (existing, that is).


So, will blaming China make it better for you? Will it do anything at all to resolve the situation your country finds itself in?

Here's something to consider; which country in the world has the largest number of people currently infected with the virus? Which country has the largest reservoir of hosts in which the virus can mutate and spread. What are they doing, right now, about it, inside that country? Do they still have outgoing travel to other countries in the world, now, at this moment?

What do you think?



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut

chr0naut, I respect you as an ATS contributor and have found you to be a well informed and intelligent person.

However, this statement is utter crap




Honestly, China has little to do with the current situation and vaccines and the epidemic spread in other countries.

Have you considered that you might be just a little bit racist?


It isn't racism to point out the fact that this bug came from China. Nor is it "racist" to point out that the communist party restricted travel domestically, but still let thousands of flights depart to the rest of the world from infected areas. Nor is it racist to illustrate the communist party's stream of lies, suppression of physicians and truth-speakers and attempts to muddy the waters as to its origin.

Finally...China isn't a race! Hating China is nationalism, not racism. But most folks do not hate China, they hate the communist party of China. I for one love the real China, the Republic of China, what some call Taiwan. But, I despise communist china's existence and prefer they would stop it (existing, that is).


So, will blaming China make it better for you? Will it do anything at all to resolve the situation your country finds itself in?

Here's something to consider; which country in the world has the largest number of people currently infected with the virus? Which country has the largest reservoir of hosts in which the virus can mutate and spread. What are they doing, right now, about it, inside that country? Do they still have outgoing travel to other countries in the world, now, at this moment?

What do you think?



We aren't talking about feeling better, or even getting out of the current mess.

Are talking about what happens after.

The world will never be the same.

And China will face very severe consequences for what they have done.

To deter anyone (including ccp) from doing it again.

And probably to reimburse the rest of the world for some of the many trillions of dollars CCP's behavior has cost every country in the world.


3rd CCP shill attempt in a row chronie.

You can do better.



edit on 14-9-2021 by Nunyabizisit because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

chr0naut, if the virus had started in the US under President Trump, and killed countless individuals while ruining the lives of billions (at least millions), would you feel the same? How about if this was happening while he lied and intentionally suppressed doctors, journalists and citizens?

We both know how that would go. Why is the CCP any different?

You were right about one thing, my nomenclature referring simply to "China" was a mistake. It isn't China's fault. It is the CCP's fault.

Does that change anything? No it does not. It could have changed everything, in the beginning. But nonetheless, we pursue murders and terrorists, and this is no different. We need to get a handle on the virus they unleashed. There is evidence to suggest this may have even come from one of their labs. At the very least, we knew they were studying it and already had the facts from patient-zero onward.



Here's something to consider; which country in the world has the largest number of people currently infected with the virus? Which country has the largest reservoir of hosts in which the virus can mutate and spread. What are they doing, right now, about it, inside that country? Do they still have outgoing travel to other countries in the world, now, at this moment?


I don't think bringing the world to a screeching halt is the answer either. But encouraging people to mitigate the risk is. Making sure we have the data, the right data, is key. To do that, our institutions will have to embark on a long and hard journey to earn back the public's trust. In doing so, they will save lives.

Aren't these institutions directly responsible for said lost lives? After all, it is their fault folks no longer believe they are trustworthy. Do you blame the recipient of a lie or a liar for loss of trust?

What would make it better is if folks had their 4.6 million loved ones back. If 250 million infected didn't have to live with the sometimes long term complications and consequences of the CCP's failures to contain their work or to warn the world what was headed their way, as they continued letting thousands of international flights depart known infected areas. Barring that, seeing the people responsible for this held accountable for mass murder and bio-terrorism would do the job. Justice still matters.

The institutions that lied their way into being mistrusted by the public at large also have culpability. Holding their feet to the fire is also important. Like I said, true objective justice matters.
edit on 9/14/2021 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut

chr0naut, if the virus had started in the US under President Trump, and killed countless individuals while ruining the lives of billions (at least millions), would you feel the same? How about if this was happening while he lied and intentionally suppressed doctors, journalists and citizens?

We both know how that would go. Why is the CCP any different?

You were right about one thing, my nomenclature referring simply to "China" was a mistake. It isn't China's fault. It is the CCP's fault.

Does that change anything? No it does not. It could have changed everything, in the beginning. But nonetheless, we pursue murders and terrorists, and this is no different. We need to get a handle on the virus they unleashed. There is evidence to suggest this may have even come from one of their labs. At the very least, we knew they were studying it and already had the facts from patient-zero onward.



Here's something to consider; which country in the world has the largest number of people currently infected with the virus? Which country has the largest reservoir of hosts in which the virus can mutate and spread. What are they doing, right now, about it, inside that country? Do they still have outgoing travel to other countries in the world, now, at this moment?


I don't think bringing the world to a screeching halt is the answer either. But encouraging people to mitigate the risk is. Making sure we have the data, the right data, is key. To do that, our institutions will have to embark on a long and hard journey to earn back the public's trust. In doing so, they will save lives.

Aren't these institutions directly responsible for said lost lives? After all, it is their fault folks no longer believe they are trustworthy. Do you blame the recipient of a lie or a liar for loss of trust?


If the situation in the US isn't Trump's fault, where he had the foreknowledge and the authority, then how could the situation in the US be the CCP's fault where they had the foreknowledge but no authority?

The argument can be used both ways.



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

What knowledge did Trump have? The wishy-washy "mask/no mask/mask" crap coming from Fauci and the CDC? Or the constant attacks by left wing media, remember when they called it "racist" to close borders including in the beginning of the pandemic? How about the Democrats who planted the seeds of doubt by encouraging people not to trust "Trump's vaccine" as they called it? He had the same information the rest of us had. Meanwhile, democrats encouraged BLM, gave cover to riots, made excuses for antifa and encouraged things like "the summer of love"...all super spreader events. How about Biden/Harris' misinformation on the vaccine?

Trump didn't overstep his authority, which is important. But he deployed the military to combat it. He closed borders to infected countries. He managed to run a program that saw a vaccine developed and in people's arms in record time! He mobilized our strongest asset..the private sector

The argument can and indeed should be used both ways.

A reckoning needs to happen over this. 4.6 million dead, 250 million infected and not one single soul on this planet left unaffected. This is 9/11 on steroids, just in slow motion

edit on 9/14/2021 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut

chr0naut, if the virus had started in the US under President Trump, and killed countless individuals while ruining the lives of billions (at least millions), would you feel the same? How about if this was happening while he lied and intentionally suppressed doctors, journalists and citizens?

We both know how that would go. Why is the CCP any different?

You were right about one thing, my nomenclature referring simply to "China" was a mistake. It isn't China's fault. It is the CCP's fault.

Does that change anything? No it does not. It could have changed everything, in the beginning. But nonetheless, we pursue murders and terrorists, and this is no different. We need to get a handle on the virus they unleashed. There is evidence to suggest this may have even come from one of their labs. At the very least, we knew they were studying it and already had the facts from patient-zero onward.



Here's something to consider; which country in the world has the largest number of people currently infected with the virus? Which country has the largest reservoir of hosts in which the virus can mutate and spread. What are they doing, right now, about it, inside that country? Do they still have outgoing travel to other countries in the world, now, at this moment?


I don't think bringing the world to a screeching halt is the answer either. But encouraging people to mitigate the risk is. Making sure we have the data, the right data, is key. To do that, our institutions will have to embark on a long and hard journey to earn back the public's trust. In doing so, they will save lives.

Aren't these institutions directly responsible for said lost lives? After all, it is their fault folks no longer believe they are trustworthy. Do you blame the recipient of a lie or a liar for loss of trust?


Did those institutions lie, or did they give changing answers with what they knew at the time, and have been reactive to a changing situation?



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut



Did those institutions lie, or did they give changing answers with what they knew at the time, and have been reactive to a changing situation?


Did Trump have information beyond what they were giving him? Listen to the experts right? He never claimed to be a doctor.

Of course not. Beyond that, he had to contend with democrats encouraging super spreader events, claiming his program to develop the vaccine was somehow questionable or dubious, claimed his efforts to close borders was "racist" and an MSM that worked overtime to twist blame from the CCP onto him and stoke panic at home. Remember Pelosi and Whitmer flouting the pandemic safety measures? What example were they setting? Remember when Democrats kept trying to impeach him for non-issues while he was trying to handle the pandemic?

History remembers and will never forget.

Trump developed warp speed, which is where these great vaccines came from.
He closed borders.
He deployed the military.
He depleted the national stockpile.
He gave Americans the right to try experimental drugs at their own choice.

What more was he to do exactly?

What exactly is Biden doing? Mandating vaccines? The same vaccines he and Kamelia worked so hard to discredit? They are the original anti-vaccine crowd.
edit on 9/14/2021 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut



Did those institutions lie, or did they give changing answers with what they knew at the time, and have been reactive to a changing situation?


Did Trump have information beyond what they were giving him?


China announced that it was having a cluster of pneumonia cases on December 31 2019. It made the news.

On January 20, 2020, the first case of the disease in the US was reported. It also made the news.

Trump was allegedly told that how he handled the health emergency would most likely be the defining moment of his Presidency. He denies that, but several of his staff said they recalled it.

Also, in late January, Trump actually evacuated Americans out of Wuhan. That's right, he brought them in to the US, because they were US citizens, and regardless of the possibility that they might bring the disease with them.

U.S. handling of American evacuees from Wuhan increased coronavirus risks, watchdog finds

On January 31, 2020, Trump declared the outbreak a public health emergency, so you know he must have realized that covid-19 was in the US, and had been spreading for 11 days, and that it posed a significant health problem - a national emergency type one.

On February 6, 2020 Trump changed his mind and enacted travel restrictions to, and from, China. This would have been a good thing, except that the ban was not on everyone (US citizens were still allowed in), and the disease was already spreading within the US, with 12 known cases hospitalized at the time.

On February 10, 2020 Trump first said it would just go away. He did so for nine months, his last time on October 16, 2020

'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish

Trump also said HCQ was a valid treatment, and that he was taking it himself. Now it appears he only took it for two weeks, and when he actually tested positive for COVID-19, it wasn't one of the drugs prescribed to him. I'm fairly sure that the reason he stopped taking it was because he had self prescribed, and his doctors and health officials advised him to stop because of his heart condition.


Listen to the experts right? He never claimed to be a doctor.


But he did give out medical advice, and specifically advice that his doctors, and his own health authorities disagreed with.


Of course not. Beyond that, he had to contend with democrats encouraging super spreader events,


I seem to recall everyone pointing out the low attendances at Democrat events, and high attendances at Trump ones. Even at the height of the pandemic, before vaccinations were happening. So were you all lying about the attendance at all the political events during the pandemic?


claiming his program to develop the vaccine was somehow questionable or dubious, claimed his efforts to close borders was "racist" and an MSM that worked overtime to twist blame from the CCP onto him and stoke panic at home. Remember Pelosi and Whitmer flouting the pandemic safety measures? What example were they setting? Remember when Democrats kept trying to impeach him for non-issues while he was trying to handle the pandemic?


He was denying the pandemic, for months, or blaming anyone else.

And they did impeach him - twice.


History remembers and will never forget.


Apparently not. At least your recollection seems to be different than the recorded facts?


Trump developed warp speed, which is where these great vaccines came from.


The Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZaneca vaccines all existed and were under Phase 3 trial before Operation Warp Speed debuted on May 15, 2020.


He closed borders.


Too late.


He deployed the military.


And that helped?


He depleted the national stockpile.


He did that before the pandemic.


He gave Americans the right to try experimental drugs at their own choice.


Where's that bit of legislation?


What more was he to do exactly?


- Coordinate regional lock-downs and quarantines to isolate hot zones without blanket crippling the whole economy.
- Implement contact tracing to assist in early identification of outbreaks, and to be specific in response.
- Stop trying to deny the situation as a first reaction.
- React quickly enough to decisively to prevent minor outbreaks from becoming major ones.
- Stop travel in and out of infection hot zones.
- Stop trying to disagree with public health officials and credible epidemiologists at every turn.
- Follow the already well documented health procedures for dealing with a national disease outbreak.
- Explain why disease mitigations like masks, vaccinations, lock-downs, social distancing, sanitizing, and quarantine are necessary until the spread is contained, instead of being mute on the issue, or implying that these were all some sort of political 'oppression of freedom' campaign.


What exactly is Biden doing? Mandating vaccines? The same vaccines he and Kamelia worked so hard to discredit? They are the original anti-vaccine crowd.


Just because your current political rulers are not particularly clever, does not imply that their opponents are any cleverer.

You select your leaders on popularity (or unpopularity). The criteria for good leaders and administrators should be capability, compassion, and duty of care, not on how they are going to "whup them guys" and provide camera opportunities.

edit on 14/9/2021 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2021 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Everyone must watch and spread this video:

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posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I said my peace; I have nothing more to say to you.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 12:48 AM
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a reply to: JBurns


My apologies TR

And accepted, good sir.


I was really hoping that was simply a too-broad statement that wasn't intended the way it came out. We all make them.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 12:53 AM
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Ummm... Vector99 has not logged in since Monday. I hope all is well with him and his roommate.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 04:01 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut



Did those institutions lie, or did they give changing answers with what they knew at the time, and have been reactive to a changing situation?


Did Trump have information beyond what they were giving him?


China announced that it was having a cluster of pneumonia cases on December 31 2019. It made the news.

On January 20, 2020, the first case of the disease in the US was reported. It also made the news.

Trump was allegedly told that how he handled the health emergency would most likely be the defining moment of his Presidency. He denies that, but several of his staff said they recalled it.

Also, in late January, Trump actually evacuated Americans out of Wuhan. That's right, he brought them in to the US, because they were US citizens, and regardless of the possibility that they might bring the disease with them.

U.S. handling of American evacuees from Wuhan increased coronavirus risks, watchdog finds

On January 31, 2020, Trump declared the outbreak a public health emergency, so you know he must have realized that covid-19 was in the US, and had been spreading for 11 days, and that it posed a significant health problem - a national emergency type one.

On February 6, 2020 Trump changed his mind and enacted travel restrictions to, and from, China. This would have been a good thing, except that the ban was not on everyone (US citizens were still allowed in), and the disease was already spreading within the US, with 12 known cases hospitalized at the time.

On February 10, 2020 Trump first said it would just go away. He did so for nine months, his last time on October 16, 2020

'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish

Trump also said HCQ was a valid treatment, and that he was taking it himself. Now it appears he only took it for two weeks, and when he actually tested positive for COVID-19, it wasn't one of the drugs prescribed to him. I'm fairly sure that the reason he stopped taking it was because he had self prescribed, and his doctors and health officials advised him to stop because of his heart condition.


Listen to the experts right? He never claimed to be a doctor.


But he did give out medical advice, and specifically advice that his doctors, and his own health authorities disagreed with.


Of course not. Beyond that, he had to contend with democrats encouraging super spreader events,


I seem to recall everyone pointing out the low attendances at Democrat events, and high attendances at Trump ones. Even at the height of the pandemic, before vaccinations were happening. So were you all lying about the attendance at all the political events during the pandemic?


claiming his program to develop the vaccine was somehow questionable or dubious, claimed his efforts to close borders was "racist" and an MSM that worked overtime to twist blame from the CCP onto him and stoke panic at home. Remember Pelosi and Whitmer flouting the pandemic safety measures? What example were they setting? Remember when Democrats kept trying to impeach him for non-issues while he was trying to handle the pandemic?


He was denying the pandemic, for months, or blaming anyone else.

And they did impeach him - twice.


History remembers and will never forget.


Apparently not. At least your recollection seems to be different than the recorded facts?


Trump developed warp speed, which is where these great vaccines came from.


The Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZaneca vaccines all existed and were under Phase 3 trial before Operation Warp Speed debuted on May 15, 2020.


He closed borders.


Too late.


He deployed the military.


And that helped?


He depleted the national stockpile.


He did that before the pandemic.


He gave Americans the right to try experimental drugs at their own choice.


Where's that bit of legislation?


What more was he to do exactly?


- Coordinate regional lock-downs and quarantines to isolate hot zones without blanket crippling the whole economy.
- Implement contact tracing to assist in early identification of outbreaks, and to be specific in response.
- Stop trying to deny the situation as a first reaction.
- React quickly enough to decisively to prevent minor outbreaks from becoming major ones.
- Stop travel in and out of infection hot zones.
- Stop trying to disagree with public health officials and credible epidemiologists at every turn.
- Follow the already well documented health procedures for dealing with a national disease outbreak.
- Explain why disease mitigations like masks, vaccinations, lock-downs, social distancing, sanitizing, and quarantine are necessary until the spread is contained, instead of being mute on the issue, or implying that these were all some sort of political 'oppression of freedom' campaign.


What exactly is Biden doing? Mandating vaccines? The same vaccines he and Kamelia worked so hard to discredit? They are the original anti-vaccine crowd.


Just because your current political rulers are not particularly clever, does not imply that their opponents are any cleverer.

You select your leaders on popularity (or unpopularity). The criteria for good leaders and administrators should be capability, compassion, and duty of care, not on how they are going to "whup them guys" and provide camera opportunities.



You are smarter than that.

Almost nothing in your post is true.

But is an accurate description of democrat's propaganda.


Complete BS.



posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut



Did those institutions lie, or did they give changing answers with what they knew at the time, and have been reactive to a changing situation?


Did Trump have information beyond what they were giving him?


China announced that it was having a cluster of pneumonia cases on December 31 2019. It made the news.

On January 20, 2020, the first case of the disease in the US was reported. It also made the news.

Trump was allegedly told that how he handled the health emergency would most likely be the defining moment of his Presidency. He denies that, but several of his staff said they recalled it.

Also, in late January, Trump actually evacuated Americans out of Wuhan. That's right, he brought them in to the US, because they were US citizens, and regardless of the possibility that they might bring the disease with them.

U.S. handling of American evacuees from Wuhan increased coronavirus risks, watchdog finds

On January 31, 2020, Trump declared the outbreak a public health emergency, so you know he must have realized that covid-19 was in the US, and had been spreading for 11 days, and that it posed a significant health problem - a national emergency type one.

On February 6, 2020 Trump changed his mind and enacted travel restrictions to, and from, China. This would have been a good thing, except that the ban was not on everyone (US citizens were still allowed in), and the disease was already spreading within the US, with 12 known cases hospitalized at the time.

On February 10, 2020 Trump first said it would just go away. He did so for nine months, his last time on October 16, 2020

'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish

Trump also said HCQ was a valid treatment, and that he was taking it himself. Now it appears he only took it for two weeks, and when he actually tested positive for COVID-19, it wasn't one of the drugs prescribed to him. I'm fairly sure that the reason he stopped taking it was because he had self prescribed, and his doctors and health officials advised him to stop because of his heart condition.


Listen to the experts right? He never claimed to be a doctor.


But he did give out medical advice, and specifically advice that his doctors, and his own health authorities disagreed with.


Of course not. Beyond that, he had to contend with democrats encouraging super spreader events,


I seem to recall everyone pointing out the low attendances at Democrat events, and high attendances at Trump ones. Even at the height of the pandemic, before vaccinations were happening. So were you all lying about the attendance at all the political events during the pandemic?


claiming his program to develop the vaccine was somehow questionable or dubious, claimed his efforts to close borders was "racist" and an MSM that worked overtime to twist blame from the CCP onto him and stoke panic at home. Remember Pelosi and Whitmer flouting the pandemic safety measures? What example were they setting? Remember when Democrats kept trying to impeach him for non-issues while he was trying to handle the pandemic?


He was denying the pandemic, for months, or blaming anyone else.

And they did impeach him - twice.


History remembers and will never forget.


Apparently not. At least your recollection seems to be different than the recorded facts?


Trump developed warp speed, which is where these great vaccines came from.


The Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZaneca vaccines all existed and were under Phase 3 trial before Operation Warp Speed debuted on May 15, 2020.


He closed borders.


Too late.


He deployed the military.


And that helped?


He depleted the national stockpile.


He did that before the pandemic.


He gave Americans the right to try experimental drugs at their own choice.


Where's that bit of legislation?


What more was he to do exactly?


- Coordinate regional lock-downs and quarantines to isolate hot zones without blanket crippling the whole economy.
- Implement contact tracing to assist in early identification of outbreaks, and to be specific in response.
- Stop trying to deny the situation as a first reaction.
- React quickly enough to decisively to prevent minor outbreaks from becoming major ones.
- Stop travel in and out of infection hot zones.
- Stop trying to disagree with public health officials and credible epidemiologists at every turn.
- Follow the already well documented health procedures for dealing with a national disease outbreak.
- Explain why disease mitigations like masks, vaccinations, lock-downs, social distancing, sanitizing, and quarantine are necessary until the spread is contained, instead of being mute on the issue, or implying that these were all some sort of political 'oppression of freedom' campaign.


What exactly is Biden doing? Mandating vaccines? The same vaccines he and Kamelia worked so hard to discredit? They are the original anti-vaccine crowd.


Just because your current political rulers are not particularly clever, does not imply that their opponents are any cleverer.

You select your leaders on popularity (or unpopularity). The criteria for good leaders and administrators should be capability, compassion, and duty of care, not on how they are going to "whup them guys" and provide camera opportunities.



You are smarter than that.

Almost nothing in your post is true.

But is an accurate description of democrat's propaganda.


Complete BS.


I could provide news articles and stuff from official sources, such as whitehouse.gov, from that time, and that verified everything I have said. But that would be a waste of time because you would just deny stuff that we have all lived through hardly a year ago.

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posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut



Did those institutions lie, or did they give changing answers with what they knew at the time, and have been reactive to a changing situation?


Did Trump have information beyond what they were giving him?


China announced that it was having a cluster of pneumonia cases on December 31 2019. It made the news.

On January 20, 2020, the first case of the disease in the US was reported. It also made the news.

Trump was allegedly told that how he handled the health emergency would most likely be the defining moment of his Presidency. He denies that, but several of his staff said they recalled it.

Also, in late January, Trump actually evacuated Americans out of Wuhan. That's right, he brought them in to the US, because they were US citizens, and regardless of the possibility that they might bring the disease with them.

U.S. handling of American evacuees from Wuhan increased coronavirus risks, watchdog finds

On January 31, 2020, Trump declared the outbreak a public health emergency, so you know he must have realized that covid-19 was in the US, and had been spreading for 11 days, and that it posed a significant health problem - a national emergency type one.

On February 6, 2020 Trump changed his mind and enacted travel restrictions to, and from, China. This would have been a good thing, except that the ban was not on everyone (US citizens were still allowed in), and the disease was already spreading within the US, with 12 known cases hospitalized at the time.

On February 10, 2020 Trump first said it would just go away. He did so for nine months, his last time on October 16, 2020

'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish

Trump also said HCQ was a valid treatment, and that he was taking it himself. Now it appears he only took it for two weeks, and when he actually tested positive for COVID-19, it wasn't one of the drugs prescribed to him. I'm fairly sure that the reason he stopped taking it was because he had self prescribed, and his doctors and health officials advised him to stop because of his heart condition.


Listen to the experts right? He never claimed to be a doctor.


But he did give out medical advice, and specifically advice that his doctors, and his own health authorities disagreed with.


Of course not. Beyond that, he had to contend with democrats encouraging super spreader events,


I seem to recall everyone pointing out the low attendances at Democrat events, and high attendances at Trump ones. Even at the height of the pandemic, before vaccinations were happening. So were you all lying about the attendance at all the political events during the pandemic?


claiming his program to develop the vaccine was somehow questionable or dubious, claimed his efforts to close borders was "racist" and an MSM that worked overtime to twist blame from the CCP onto him and stoke panic at home. Remember Pelosi and Whitmer flouting the pandemic safety measures? What example were they setting? Remember when Democrats kept trying to impeach him for non-issues while he was trying to handle the pandemic?


He was denying the pandemic, for months, or blaming anyone else.

And they did impeach him - twice.


History remembers and will never forget.


Apparently not. At least your recollection seems to be different than the recorded facts?


Trump developed warp speed, which is where these great vaccines came from.


The Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZaneca vaccines all existed and were under Phase 3 trial before Operation Warp Speed debuted on May 15, 2020.


He closed borders.


Too late.


He deployed the military.


And that helped?


He depleted the national stockpile.


He did that before the pandemic.


He gave Americans the right to try experimental drugs at their own choice.


Where's that bit of legislation?


What more was he to do exactly?


- Coordinate regional lock-downs and quarantines to isolate hot zones without blanket crippling the whole economy.
- Implement contact tracing to assist in early identification of outbreaks, and to be specific in response.
- Stop trying to deny the situation as a first reaction.
- React quickly enough to decisively to prevent minor outbreaks from becoming major ones.
- Stop travel in and out of infection hot zones.
- Stop trying to disagree with public health officials and credible epidemiologists at every turn.
- Follow the already well documented health procedures for dealing with a national disease outbreak.
- Explain why disease mitigations like masks, vaccinations, lock-downs, social distancing, sanitizing, and quarantine are necessary until the spread is contained, instead of being mute on the issue, or implying that these were all some sort of political 'oppression of freedom' campaign.


What exactly is Biden doing? Mandating vaccines? The same vaccines he and Kamelia worked so hard to discredit? They are the original anti-vaccine crowd.


Just because your current political rulers are not particularly clever, does not imply that their opponents are any cleverer.

You select your leaders on popularity (or unpopularity). The criteria for good leaders and administrators should be capability, compassion, and duty of care, not on how they are going to "whup them guys" and provide camera opportunities.



You are smarter than that.

Almost nothing in your post is true.

But is an accurate description of democrat's propaganda.


Complete BS.


I could provide news articles and stuff from official sources, such as whitehouse.gov, from that time, and that verified everything I have said. But that would be a waste of time because you would just deny stuff that we have all lived through hardly a year ago.



WRONG.

Facts are facts.

You have none in this case.

Only the words twisted into propaganda by democrats and msm.



What you lived through was a constant barrage of msm blindly repeating the democrat's lies.


I dare you to try.

You won't.

Because you know I will blow it apart with actual facts again.

You just admitted it.

That is the action of a coward.

And a liar who is afraid to wade in deeper now that you are aware that someone will strongly challenge your nonsense.

Called Troll & Hide Tactic.







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posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 05:04 AM
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So the rest of the world is responsible for CCP creating & leaking bioweapon.

And hiding it for many months while it spread.

And refusing to allow anyone to investigate origins.

And refusing to stop international travel of their infected.

And threatening any country that tried to evacuate it's citizens from wuhan.

Then extorting bribes to get their citizens back?


The list goes on...


The list of what CCP did.

Without CCP's bad behavior, there would be no covid.

Without CCP's bad behavior, there would be no pandemic.

Without CCP's bad behavior, millions would still be alive.

Without CCP's bad behavior, the world would not have spent or lost MANY trillions of dollars.



And without CCP's bad behavior, we would not even be having this conversation.


Tell me again how you don't shill for CCP at every opportunity.

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posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 06:12 AM
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Are you ok Vector?

Getting worried.

Can you send proof of life so we don't panic?

But please don't feel compelled to do so if currently feeling too unwell.

Or if you think it's none of our business.


We are just concerned about a friend.




posted on Sep, 15 2021 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99
What is really really really ironic here, is my vaccinated roommate is the one who spread it to me, and is in much worse shape than I am.

And even more ironic - or maybe just ridiculous - is most people can probably recall many many times in the last 20 years where they were sick just like this, and thought nothing of it, at all, other than 'I'm sick, hafta rest'...

I don't, because I basically never get sick (can't remember the last time in fact)...




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