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Root cause of border crossing surge

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posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 07:57 AM
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I don't claim to be a smart man, I am an opinionated man. And I try to look at things with more of a common sense approach than a partisan approach. it was said by VP Harris that rather than concentrate on the border itself, she needed to understand the root causes of the mass migration. From where I sit, it's kind of obvious. Drug Cartels are in charge. Government is beholden to the cartels. They control all aspects of life in the southerner nations. People are trying to get away from all of that, and sadly, some are just getting more involved, and bringing that hell to us.

If we truly want to help them, and not just assimilate them into democratic voting machines, finding a way to end the cartel's reign would be the answer. I have a feeling there is too much money in all that, and those who would otherwise try to solve this issue, are bought and paid for, so as not to cause any issues.

If I'm wrong on that, please explain why.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: network dude

We should invade central america. We could only improve the situation. Their inept leadership is a threat to the entire western world.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: network dude

That's certainly part of it. The US' penchant for backing regime changes all over the continent doesn't help either.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: network dude
George Soros, The Open Border Society, The Fabian Society, WEF/UN globalist take-over.

They know, cartels are “useful facilitators,” the rest is smoke and mirrors.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Root cause?

All the free crap that the evil left doles out to the illegal aliens.




posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Your main reasons for border crossings:

- Day labor, etc. The towns along the border house and employ thousands of Mexican nationals as live in maids/childcare, landscapers, or day labor for stuff like construction. These are people I love and respect...they work hard and do honest work to provide for their family. Prior to 2000, these were the people that made up most of the illegal border crossings, and why my hard stance on border security is relatively new....it used to be normal people that contributed to our country in an honest way
- Coyotes. These are people who smuggle folks. Used to be, they smuggled you for a price and made sure you got in clear and safe. Now, its mostly folks moving bodies for traffickers. They are cartel.
- Drugs. These people have been moving product for ages. But once we destablized the pot industry, they moved to other products. Agriculture moved to limes, while the underworld moved to meth. Most of what comes across today is either meth cooked in mexico, or fentanyl imported from china through mexico
- Cartel business. Folks come through to conduct other business, higher level than trafficking
- Refugees. These are people who are fleeing failed socialism in central america. They've always been there, but now it looks like they are organized by outsiders.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Root cause?

All the free crap that the evil left doles out to the illegal aliens.



The only folks who want the free crap are the ones without a life on the other side of the border. For a Mexican national, making $15/hr laying drywall here, then having the cost of living back home in Mexico, is a good life.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: network dude

If we are searching for a root cause to our immigration problem and postulate as you have that the Cartels are to blame, then we need to go further but closer and admit it's our own backyards wherein the problem lies.

The Cartels pursue the almighty dollar but are only successful due to the "demand problem". The US population who find themselves addicted to the various products supplied by the Cartels. If the demand wasn't so strong and the profits not so great, the Cartel would be hard pressed to exist.

What the answer is I don't know. Education and treatment doesn't appeal to most and legalization has failed as far as marijuana. While legalization was expected to curtail the black market it has in reality increased illegal growing by a hundred fold.

The Cartel due to an even more porous border finds it profitable to no longer smuggle marijuana to profit but instead recruit members here to establish illegal grow operations which avoid taxes, licensing fees, and other stringent regulations and increased the customer base a hundred fold. Penalties for these illegal grow operations are primarily financial IF caught and the massive amounts of money involved make it a simple cost of business and one they can afford.

The legal grow operations can't keep up with demand so legal dispensary's resort to tax free supplies when necessary, the public is all too happy to purchase from black market supplies avoiding taxes and since there are zero penalties for possession it makes common sense. We are the root cause if the Cartels are to blame, of course I doubt this to be the single cause and effect but it's fundamentally our demand creating the hole the Cartel exploits.

I use marijuana as the main example but opiates, meth, coc aine as well as all the other Cartel products are only successful due to the insatiable appetite for destruction we have developed. The extreme violence comes as a result of the pursuit of the most dollars they can get, capitalism at work as they strive to eliminate competition.

Is legalization of everything a way out ? Not likely as seen from the experience with legal weed but education, treatment has failed as well. I don't have an answer but if we are looking to lay blame for the Cartel, we must point towards our own backyard as we basically created them due to demand for them and the various products.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

From where I sit, it's kind of obvious. Drug Cartels are in charge. Government is beholden to the cartels. They control all aspects of life in the southerner nations.



You missed a step, there. Governments are beholden to the international banking cartels. Drug cartels run a cash business, but you can only stuff so much cash in a mattress. You can't buy a million dollar yacht with 10s and 20s without raising eyebrows. That cash needs to wind up in a bank account clean and untouchable to governments. Bankers are only too happy to hold that cash for a nominal fee, but they have to tell governments to look the other way.

I think the root cause of the increase is border crossing is the lack of consequences. If you're caught, what's the worst that can happen? You're held for a while until you are sent back to try again. You do more jail time for protesting at the Capitol.

You want to put a dent in illegal border crossings? Make it a capital offense. That may sound harsh, but let's remember that no one is illegally crossing the border by accident. It's an intentional act that requires some planning and effort. If a person knows that being caught could mean death, they might rethink their actions.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: network dude

End welfare for illegals and.... POOF !... problem will go away.


But Democrats need their (illegal) votes to stay in power, so....



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Root cause?

All the free crap that the evil left doles out to the illegal aliens.


Well that and their home nations are crapholes.
You, given the same circumstances, would head this way.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: network dude

My guess is the reason we allow them to the come to US is because our core population is declining due to the aging population and the abuse of abortions.

In order for a country to keep growing its spending and for the stock market to perform is the need for continual growth. If the growth stops, everything goes into a death spiral economically at least.

This is the same reason why you see the European nations allowing tons and tons of migrants into their countries.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 12:50 PM
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finding a way to end the cartel's reign would be the answer.


I believe you are quite correct. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen because the Cartels serve the monetary interests of powerful people and institutions in the US, including US government agencies.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: network dude

From where I sit, it's kind of obvious. Drug Cartels are in charge. Government is beholden to the cartels. They control all aspects of life in the southerner nations.



You missed a step, there. Governments are beholden to the international banking cartels. Drug cartels run a cash business, but you can only stuff so much cash in a mattress. You can't buy a million dollar yacht with 10s and 20s without raising eyebrows. That cash needs to wind up in a bank account clean and untouchable to governments. Bankers are only too happy to hold that cash for a nominal fee, but they have to tell governments to look the other way.

I think the root cause of the increase is border crossing is the lack of consequences. If you're caught, what's the worst that can happen? You're held for a while until you are sent back to try again. You do more jail time for protesting at the Capitol.

You want to put a dent in illegal border crossings? Make it a capital offense. That may sound harsh, but let's remember that no one is illegally crossing the border by accident. It's an intentional act that requires some planning and effort. If a person knows that being caught could mean death, they might rethink their actions.


Thats insanity.

Death penalty is not a deterrent for crime. I think that we have a death row to begin with kind of proves this point. Many who cross are already facing death to do so. Those drug busts that they advertise so heavily in the states result in a few dead family members back in Mexico every time.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:10 PM
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Here you go....a nice heartwarming story of people with a gift using that gift to benefit others

Cartels are turning marathon runners into drug mules


After three days in the Chihuahuan Desert, Benito, his friend Artemio, and Artemio’s nephew, Heraclio—each of them Raramuri and each carrying a drug load—were arrested by U.S. Border Patrol agents on the night of May 6 near Highway 90 south of Van Horn, Texas, 80 miles from their destination. In total they were carrying 174 pounds of weed divided into three plastic rectangle-shaped backpacks, according to the affidavit obtained by VICE World News.


Does anyone think the death penalty would deter someone willing to run 135 miles of Chihuahuan desert in May? Around Van Horn during that time of year, its easily going to be 100 in the day, close to 35 at night.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Human caused climate change --- is no doubt --- the major "root cause" of the surge of immigrants from South America to the United States.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: Reality2021

Some of us did try to tell you that legalizing it wouldn't work. You had only to look at the black market cigarette trade to get a preview and if you deregulated tomorrow, the cartels would only move to control the market.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:26 PM
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However, if we're in on the premise of this thread, can anyone's drug use truly be said to be "victimless"?



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: network dude

Human caused climate change --- is no doubt --- the major "root cause" of the surge of immigrants from South America to the United States.



Citation needed.



posted on Jul, 19 2021 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
However, if we're in on the premise of this thread, can anyone's drug use truly be said to be "victimless"?


Yes. Because doing #ty things to people doesn't mean they are a victim.

My uncle....the biggest victim of his drug use is himself. Yes, you can say his children felt it too. But they aren't victims. No more than i am a victim of my fathers boozing.

Read some comments somewhere awhile back warning that we "can't let people steal our words". And that is true. "Victim" has a meaning that most would agree relates to specific things. Expanding it through hyperbole only confuses on what a "victim" really is. Im certainly no "victim" of infidelity, despite my first wife being rather loose with her morals.




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