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BLM adds their voice to the protests in Cuba . . . .

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posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: Nunyabizisit

And most nations in today's world intertwine both ideologies, most nations run off a macro economic system. There isn't a single pure capitalist nation on earth, and the last time the US was one rich oligarchs like JP Morgan and Rockefeller had to constantly bail out the US.
There's other economic systems such as degrowth, that are becoming popular as well. Even 'macro' economics is a fine line to even call itself 'capitalistic' since it requires a solid government foundation to work.



posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

And most nations in today's world intertwine both ideologies, most nations run off a macro economic system. There isn't a single pure capitalist nation on earth, and the last time the US was one rich oligarchs like JP Morgan and Rockefeller had to constantly bail out the US.
There's other economic systems such as degrowth, that are becoming popular as well. Even 'macro' economics is a fine line to even call itself 'capitalistic' since it requires a solid government foundation to work.



Agreed.

But all economies have a single root.

Either individuals own the means and benefits of production in 'normal' times, or the government does.

In socialism, that means the government also effectively owns it's citizens.

You will many times even see this manifest in socialist governments refusing to allow it's citizens to leave.

Because citizens are government property.

Is also why large scale violence against own population is so common in socialist governments, and almost non existent in comparison from capitalist governments.

All are one or the other, and fairly easy to recognize.

But all are also somewhat hybrid in certain significant ways.



posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

And most nations in today's world intertwine both ideologies, most nations run off a macro economic system. There isn't a single pure capitalist nation on earth, and the last time the US was one rich oligarchs like JP Morgan and Rockefeller had to constantly bail out the US.
There's other economic systems such as degrowth, that are becoming popular as well. Even 'macro' economics is a fine line to even call itself 'capitalistic' since it requires a solid government foundation to work.



Agreed.

But all economies have a single root.

Either individuals own the means and benefits of production in 'normal' times, or the government does.

In socialism, that means the government also effectively owns it's citizens.

You will many times even see this manifest in socialist governments refusing to allow it's citizens to leave.

Because citizens are government property.

Is also why large scale violence against own population is so common in socialist governments, and almost non existent in comparison from capitalist governments.

All are one or the other, and fairly easy to recognize.

But all are also somewhat hybrid in certain significant ways.




Knowing the above, you might start to understand why BLM fighting for marxist (socialist) goals is just so absurd/stupid/ridiculous/hilarious etc.

The system they are rioting for would OWN them (and everyone else) if implemented.

A return to slavery under a different name.



posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: Nunyabizisit

I am well aware of Lenin's so called "useful idiots" which he never actually proclaimed. But, was definitely part of his over all strategy to gain popularity among the extremely poor.

Here's a great clip:



BLM is a rather strange entity, they seem to change hands of leadership quite often.



posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 08:47 PM
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Thank you for the video.

Wish it had more substance added to why Lenin had poor kill rich, and why the narrator 'didn't much like that'.

Self explanatory from moral and political perspective.

But ignored the economic reasons, which lenin wrote about elsewhere.

Lenin needed to OWN the farms AND farmers.

(Same in every industry, but farm is easy example)

Once rich owners were dead, government effectively owned the property, controlled who got equipment supplies and labor, controlled what was planted and what was done with the harvests, prevented that land and those people from ever changing without approval, etc.

And people had no opportunity to improve their situation.

Or benefit for trying any harder than necessary to prevent government from killing them.

This is the beginnings of socialism there.

The transformation period.

Peasants, like BLM/democrats now, didn't see it coming.

And MANY were killed by own government once they figured out they had been duped.

Production fell dramatically.

Millions starved in a country normally capable of exporting 1/2 it's output just a few years earlier.

Lenin lost zero sleep over any of this, after all he owned the people, just as he owned the land, suppliers, cows and wheat.

Was a significant and complicated transformation, but studied in detail is good example of the government taking ownership of production.

Including it's people.

Democrats are in desperate need of history lessons.

Especially BLM.




Lenin duped peasants into killing land owners, thereby enslaving themselves.

Democrats are currently using BLM and msm to do exactly the same thing here.

Except they promise less murdering and more prosperity.

Despite the fact that no socialist has ever accomplished such.

And their brainwashed masses believe them without question.

Or understanding of socialism's HORRIBLE history.



edit on 27-7-2021 by Nunyabizisit because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: M5xaz

Socialism is altruistic.

I gave you a prime example of how the narrative is crooked and biased. And you still fall for the 100003838 million dead.



I personally observed many of those socialist murders as a young man in 1989.

Men, women, children, seniors, and babies.

For having the audacity to stand in the street requesting more freedom.

Or having a family member that did.

So many killed by gunfire in one day that they squished the tens of thousands of bodies with tanks and APCs for half the night so they could wash the remains down sewers with fire hoses.

MANY more were murdered since for having the nerve to suggest that these murders happened.

Or had a Family member that did.

And still are today.

This is only a drop in the bucket.

Socialism, in any of it's many forms, can not survive very long without the use of force on it's own citizens.

Yet here you are.

Attempting to defend the indefensible.

Very sad.






ETA:

No, not sad.

Angry.




My deepest sympathies to you/family/friends of yours that have lived under and endured this homicidal, genocidal "socialism" system.

I just cannot imagine...


I remain stunned, however, how some people in the West are so gullible, so emotionally invested in their crap college degrees that they can ignore even actual images from the fall of Communism in 1989, with tens of MILLIONS in the street.


And even ignore images TODAY, from Cuba.

Unreal.



posted on Jul, 27 2021 @ 11:40 PM
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Thank you.

That means a lot to me.



Just to be clear though, I am typical middle (maybe upper middle) class American.

My father was posted to some interesting areas when I was young, and whenever possible he brought family with him for the experience.

One of our U.S. neighbors had a Chinese exchange student (very rare at the time) for 2 years beginning right as we returned to U.S. at start of my junior year and we quickly became best friends.

Father took an assignment in China (also pretty rare at the time) about a year after my graduation, and arranged for me to go with and spend 1 year living with my friend's family.

Tiananmen massacre happened about 8 months into that visit.

Nobody in my family was physically harmed, but my friend and his entire extended family were murdered by CCP soon after we were evacuated with western press.

I spent 5 days hiding in a small space taking care of much younger western children while protected by a handful of brave unarmed U.S. Marines and a larger group of Chinese Patriots.

Our hiding spot was close enough to hear gunfire, the body squishing, and the screams.

Portions of the building(s) we were hiding in collapsed and/or burned while we were inside.

My father actually witnessed much of the carnage with his own eyes, while being held at gunpoint by CCP soldiers with a few western journalists and visiting professors.

There hasn't been a single day since, that I wasn't still there in some way, but my father has it much worse.

He decided he was done talking about that week right after 9/11, and hasn't spoken about it since.

I was almost exactly the opposite.

Found it extremely difficult to discuss for 10+ years,
then felt compelled to discuss it whenever possible after 9/11.

Because people need to know, and really understand what CCP is.

I still have trouble with certain noises and smells, but really affected by collapsing buildings (no matter the cause) due to circumstances in that hiding spot.

Also have an unhealthy fear of heights & fire, and don't like small spaces.

I got off pretty easy.

Nobody still enslaved by CCP did.

Even the seemingly successful folks.

CCP is STILL murdering it's own citizens (and their families) for daring to discuss what CCP did that week.

Unfortunately, CCP is good at keeping lists, and my speaking out got me identified, and at least one Chinese citizen killed.

So I take 'precautions'.



posted on Jul, 28 2021 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: M5xaz


Thank you.

That means a lot to me.



Just to be clear though, I am typical middle (maybe upper middle) class American.

My father was posted to some interesting areas when I was young, and whenever possible he brought family with him for the experience.

One of our U.S. neighbors had a Chinese exchange student (very rare at the time) for 2 years beginning right as we returned to U.S. at start of my junior year and we quickly became best friends.

Father took an assignment in China (also pretty rare at the time) about a year after my graduation, and arranged for me to go with and spend 1 year living with my friend's family.

Tiananmen massacre happened about 8 months into that visit.

Nobody in my family was physically harmed, but my friend and his entire extended family were murdered by CCP soon after we were evacuated with western press.

I spent 5 days hiding in a small space taking care of much younger western children while protected by a handful of brave unarmed U.S. Marines and a larger group of Chinese Patriots.

Our hiding spot was close enough to hear gunfire, the body squishing, and the screams.

Portions of the building(s) we were hiding in collapsed and/or burned while we were inside.

My father actually witnessed much of the carnage with his own eyes, while being held at gunpoint by CCP soldiers with a few western journalists and visiting professors.

There hasn't been a single day since, that I wasn't still there in some way, but my father has it much worse.

He decided he was done talking about that week right after 9/11, and hasn't spoken about it since.

I was almost exactly the opposite.

Found it extremely difficult to discuss for 10+ years,
then felt compelled to discuss it whenever possible after 9/11.

Because people need to know, and really understand what CCP is.

I still have trouble with certain noises and smells, but really affected by collapsing buildings (no matter the cause) due to circumstances in that hiding spot.

Also have an unhealthy fear of heights & fire, and don't like small spaces.

I got off pretty easy.

Nobody still enslaved by CCP did.

Even the seemingly successful folks.

CCP is STILL murdering it's own citizens (and their families) for daring to discuss what CCP did that week.

Unfortunately, CCP is good at keeping lists, and my speaking out got me identified, and at least one Chinese citizen killed.

So I take 'precautions'.




Again, my sympathies for your friends and the hurt, while I know I cannot possibly truly understand how horrific it was like.

You did your best, nothing that you did or could have done to make things less bad
And some PTSD would happen to anyone in the same situation, it's not you

You are out of it and safe.
Remain courageous and positive for your future.


Best.



posted on Jul, 28 2021 @ 01:14 AM
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I am honestly ok, but thank you again.

I think about that week every day, but am mostly (at least partially) numb to it now. Just part of who I am.

Except those few nagging 'phobias', which aren't very severe.

My focus now is telling the story, and accurately describing CCP (and the west to Chinese) to the 99% that are unaware.

Challenge is doing so without getting anyone else killed by CCP.

My recent China connections were all disconnected in early 2020 for wuhan lab coverup, so mostly just waiting for now.

Posted about it here during a short visit last year under a different name, and doing so again now that current visit is nearing end.

I have to keep ATS visits short because I warn users with family or friends still enslaved by CCP to keep their heads down when I'm here.

That isn't fair to them, but they seem to understand the need (probably better than I do).





edit on 28-7-2021 by Nunyabizisit because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2021 @ 06:08 AM
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Are you referring to ukraine?



posted on Jul, 28 2021 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Are you referring to ukraine?



Not specifically.

Stalin later also did something similar to Ukraine (and others), but that was a little more complicated than typical socialist transformation process.



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