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The "Walls Don't Work" Argument is the Stupidest One Yet.

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posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

LMAO you can't be serious.




posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Ask any historian with a clue in case of doubt. You think I just hacked history.com to make you brick wallers look like morons or what? How's your infrastructure doing btw?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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doublette
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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

No, I see no parallels. I see reaching and grasping for straws.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Maybe change your glasses? It was your idea to spin this wall of a thread regardless of the contradicting historical context, wasn't it?



I see reaching and grasping for straws.


Oh, so witty! It's the best tactic to shy away from factual debates once someone calls out your bollocks, right? You're pretty good with sophistry, I'll give you that.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Propagandalf

Maybe change your glasses? It was your idea to spin this wall of a thread regardless of the contradicting historical context, wasn't it?



I see reaching and grasping for straws.


Oh, so witty! It's the best tactic to shy away from factual debates once someone calls out your bollocks, right? You're pretty good with sophistry, I'll give you that.


I wasn’t aware that making specious arguments was “factual debate”. I guess you learn something new every day.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

No worries, Hadrian! You'd have to realize your mistakes before you could learn a thing, and something tells me you would rather stick to your bricks.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Propagandalf

No worries, Hadrian! You'd have to realize your mistakes before you could learn a thing, and something tells me you would rather stick to your bricks.


Plucking quotes from irrelevant books and making historical comparisons between disparate empires and ages seems to me the mistake.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

That or your historical introduction wasn't really worth anyone's time.

It shouldn't be so hard to find at least one big border wall project that actually worked. But even the wall in East Germany was a big fcking mistake, which led directly to the Perestroika and ultimately to the fall of the UdSSR.

Name one border wall that worked out like intended, just one?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Propagandalf

That or your historical introduction wasn't really worth anyone's time.

It shouldn't be so hard to find at least one big border wall project that actually worked. But even the wall in East Germany was a big fcking mistake, which led directly to the Perestroika and ultimately to the fall of the UdSSR.

Name one border wall that worked out like intended, just one?


You'd compare a wall designed to keep people from escaping to a wall designed to keep people from breaking in.


The Isreali/West Bank Barrier.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Moroccan Western Sahara Wall
en.wikipedia.org...

The Syria-Turkey Barrier
en.wikipedia.org...

The Indian Line of Control Fencing
en.wikipedia.org...

The Greek "Evros Fence"
greece.greekreporter.com...

Which one of these don't work?
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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:55 PM
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The Isreali/West Bank Barrier.


...is considered to be part of a failed apartheid policy. It's counterproductive to the peace process, and other barriers have been breached already. I'm not sure your example hasn't met the same fate already.
Israel–Gaza_barrier



The Moroccan Western Sahara Wall



The Western Sahara Berm, also known as the Moroccan Wall, is an approximately 2,700 km-long defensive structure consisting primarily of sand running through Western Sahara and the southeastern portion of Morocco. It acts as a separation barrier between the Moroccan-controlled areas and the Polisario-controlled section of the territory (the SADR). According to maps from MINURSO[62] or the UNHCR,[63] part of the wall extends several kilometers into internationally recognized Mauritanian territory. According to Pascal Bongard, program director at Geneva Call, between five and ten million land mines have been laid in the areas around the wall.[64]

en.wikipedia.org...

Bad example, you wanna add 5 to 10 million landmines and a Sahara to your wall as well?



The Syria-Turkey Barrier


Smuggling from Syria to Turkey ceased to exist and refugees didn't change their routes? That's a good one! What a waste of good tax Euros... if they only knew that Turkey has a very long shoreline, and that it shares the Mediterranean with Syria...



The Indian Line of Control Fencing



The barrier itself consists of double-row of fencing and concertina wire eight to twelve feet (2.4–3.7 m) in height, and is electrified and connected to a network of motion sensors, thermal imaging devices, lighting systems and alarms. They act as "fast alert signals" to the Indian troops who can be alerted and ambush the infiltrators trying to sneak in. The small stretch of land between the rows of fencing is mined with thousands of landmines

Line_of_Control

Only thousands of landmines this time and no Sahara? Aha. Why so peaceful now?



The Greek "Evros Fence"



The coveted fence is expected to be 10.3 kilometers long, but the river of Evros will still be the biggest crossing point of the illegal immigrants. One month ago, Christos Papoutsis (former Minister for Citizen Protection) inaugurated the 3.2 million Euro fence, but the Greek government hasn’t yet proceeded with the construction. However the Ministry has left a… model fence to “guard” the Greek borders.

evros-the-greek-borders-are-protected- by-a-single-model-fence

We should ask a fingernail model to play the fence, that would be equally funny but far less expensive. You really know how to make me laugh my ass of, don't you?



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posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 08:53 PM
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Oh, you are serious. Here, let me help you with your reading comprehension. The building of the roman wall was significant because it meant the outside forces trying to destroy the roman empire were so vast and so devoted it was all but impossible to keep them at bay.

Nothing in that history article even insinuates walls don't work. The density of osmium has a new challenger it seems...



posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

If the east german wall didn't work, why did they insist on removing it?



posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 08:59 PM
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...is considered to be part of a failed apartheid policy. It's counterproductive to the peace process, and other barriers have been breached already. I'm not sure your example hasn't met the same fate already.


You realize this doesn't say walls don't work, right? Of course you don't, what was I thinking. Here, maybe this will help.


But I'm curious about some of your other rebuttals, why do you think they built a wall to go with the land mines, I mean afterall, the land mines were all that were needed, correct?




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