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Tyndall AFB suffers massive damage; including irreplaceable F-22s

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posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: mightmight

Except for the really minor fact that they AREN'T combat coded. Two of the three squadrons there are Block 20s that are not going to get upgraded because they use them for pilot training.

As pointed out, this makes something like twice that we've had bases hammered by storms like this. Those are pretty damn good odds for leaving them there.
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posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: RadioRobert

No it isn't, but you're not going to fly an NMCM bird even in an evacuation. Thank god we have so many people explaining how they screwed up and they should have done so much more.


Yeah, why fly out a strategic asset we only have a handful of if the AN/APG-77 or th RWR keep defaulting. Get real.

I said, I don't know what the underlying issue was, so I don't know that the guys at Tyndall could have done any better. But like I said, if you can't get more than 30% of the fleet off the ground in several days, there are heads that need to roll somewhere. If Tyndall couldn't do any better with what they had, then the people upstream allocating and planning should be on the block.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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You know what, you're right. You guys are so much smarter than I am. They're complete morons for putting them there.
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posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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It was the EU's fault we hacked HAARP and caused it all so we can invade from the East coast



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
You know what, you're right. You guys are so much smarter than I am. They're complete morons for putting them there.


You do this every time your answer doesn't line up with reality.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert

Bottom line is somebody in the chain of command made the decision that for safety of flight reasons they could not be moved.


Now I don't know if it was mechanical or lack of qualified people to fly them all out, but it doesn't really matter because safety of flight is the only reason they wouldn't move them because the commander has to wonder if he/she just screwed up their own promotion chances if the planes left behind are written off.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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Right. Which goes back to over 30% couldn't get in the air. It hasn't a thing to do with being fully mission capable or those rates. It is 30% of airframes (at least , since I haven't seen another 10% accounted for anywhere) could not be put in the air in an emergency situation.

And if Tyndall could have done nothing better (which I admitted from post one is possible) then somewhere up the chain, some pencil -pusher has made decisions that left those people in that spot. Someone is accountable when 30% of your fleet can't get off the ground over the course of several days.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 05:27 PM
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No, I do this every time I'm sick of arguing with people that think they know better than the people making the decisions, despite the fact that they weren't there. I really don't feel like going around for page after page. You said it yourself, you DON'T know why they were left, but somehow you know better than everyone involved and have decided heads need to roll.

They had less than 36 hours to get those aircraft flyable. How many of those were cann birds, how many were in phase, how many broke during the evacuation, what was the problem with the broke jets. Without knowing any of that, you've decided someone screwed up. Maybe you're right, maybe someone did. Or maybe it was a matter of them having a situation where more aircraft than usual broke at just the wrong time. You have the luxury of Monday morning quarterbacking this, and are doing it with a tiny fraction of information.

And with that, I'm done. I'm NOT going to sit here for page after page going on about this. So have fun.

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posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Someone screwed up somewhere if 30% of your fleet can't be put in the air after 36 hours in an emergency. Sorry that upsets you.



posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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People or planes. Lives of the service members or some very expensive, exotic jets??



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