a reply to: dowot
What you have to remember is that there are probably two very ancient group's of people still present in the UK, the Pict of Scotland (renamed that
from Caledonia after Nordic-Irish invaders later invaded it) and AMONG the welsh there is also the remnant of the pre-Roman period Britain's, remember
though that those old Celt's were actually invaders themselves to a very large degree whom originated - as a culture - it is assumed from pottery in
what is today southern Germany south of the Rhein.
When the Celt's invaded it is likely that earlier Britain's wanting to preserve THERE tradition's and identity may have sought shelter in the
highland's of Scotland and Wales as well as presumably among the much older and worn down mountains' of England.
Now to be fair to the Celt's while they WERE an invasive force they were also more of a warrior cast society so once they invaded anyone could reach
the top of there heirarchy if they had the skill's and liking of there fellow warriors so most of there conquered land's mostly retained there
original ethnic make up with the initial wave of Celtic warrior's merely replacing there top echelon's of society as well as a change in there culture
to a varient upon the Celtic way of life and this at one time allowed the Celtic world to spread from as far as Anatolia in the east to Scotland - at
least the lowland's - and Eira in the west.
Then came the Roman conquests and they indeed did mix people's a bit more with some Roman period genetic markers here in the UK even having been
traced as far as asia and africa likely brought here by the Roman's though remember probably from the time of the Saxon's we also have at least one
male line in Cumbria that is of Mongolian ancestry which may be due to those Saxon's themselves having been conquered and then forcibly allied to
there own Hunnic invaders.
And let's not mix up the Saxon's with the Angles, Dane's and Norwegian's each of whom had at least a little genetic uniqueness to add to the mix.
But for the most part like people from the other nations of the UK the English are actually mostly genetically of ancient British what we may wrongly
refer to as Celtic derivation since it would seem that while the men were put out those British woman - whom at least one Roman writer before there
time had referred to as Beautiful - ended up often slaves and even married to these invaders so there children were then only part Saxon, Angle, Norse
Meanwhile the successive invasions of the Angle's and others and eventually the Norman's drove many into the land's of Wales though it is proper to
point out that the modern welsh as well as having plenty of ancient genetic British ancestry are really descendant's of ROMANO Britain's, that is
Britain's mixed with Roman ancestry.
This leaves only the Irish as the last mostly untainted vestige, but in fact they are far from it since the Irish were invaded by the Norman's and
the Norse before them, old Brian Beru the Irish king whom eventually led a successful uprising against the Norse settlers actually only won because a
lot of his own men were actually also of Viking ancestry.
And let's not forget that both trade and gene's travel, these island's have been a part of the classical world trading tin and other material's since
the year of zero so places like Cornwall probably have ancient Greek, Etruscan, North and West African including Carthaginian ancestry though since
the Cornish are so mixed these day's and so few true Cornish remain that genetic material is most likely mixed into the greater British population
I see myself simply as British and I have a few genetic markers from other places as well.
The stone's were Carved and laid down by Ancient British that is good enough for me but radio isotopes in the remains do show that these people had a
very strong link to wales.
edit on 11-10-2018 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)