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AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s week of faulty claims: MS-13, Russia

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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

No. The president focuses on one gang out of thousands. And we all know why he focuses on them. MS-13 and their 10,000 members toatal about 1% of active gang in America. He needs to focus on the other 99% as well. Especially the Harley riding biker gangs. They easily are 40 times bigger and more dangerous than MS-13.




posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: abe froman

I'll wait until someone, anyone for that matter can show Snopes as being fake. Facts are now nitpicking with the fake news bunch. Whats it like arguing in circles constantly? And moving the goal posts EVERY single time. If you support Trump just admit you love liars and hate America. We will respect you more for it.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: ZombieZygote

Yeah it's called the truth. Geesh the Trump base is beyond reproach. See you fools at the voting booths.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd



All of that means absolutely ZILCH.

I have noted since the early 1970's how politically BIASED the associated press is.

I have also noted them being biased on all kinds of different issues over many decades.



"You have noted" doesn't make it fact." Just what you think - your opinion.


If you ever decide to actually do any research and stop lying to yourself because of TRUMP you would know it's a fact that news is PROPAGANDIZED heavily. I have noted because seeing it right in front of your eyes is reality.

This is common knowledge. When they use "fact check" to bolster their articles it is a form of persuasion, and not very often is it even REAL fact checking.
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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

That's literally the plan. The largest TV news organization has a decidedly right-wing bias (as does radio), but you can't argue facts with people who are literally programmed to ignore them in favor of corporate propaganda ("it's the liberal media!") Everything you say or do will be turned around to make you a villain for quoting a source that isn't on their approved list of providers. If their providers contradict themselves, it's a socialist /communist plot.

Focus on rocking the vote from now on. Figure out the apathy triggers for the non-voters and organize. Arguing with true believers is pure entertainment and only galvanizes the base. Making fun of their heroes only galvanizes the base. Get in touch with your local party and demand they run candidates worth supporting and vote like your head is on fire for every candidate you do support from the bottom to the top.

Everything else is masturbation and virtue-signaling.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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Associated Press is a non-profit news agency known for being unbiased

Epic Fail with the very first sentence
They have a tendency to spread things BEFORE they get a factual confirmation
First thought - Assad's chemical attacks per the white helmets.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog




First thought - Assad's chemical attacks per the white helmets.

You mean the white helmets did not blame Assad? Who did?

Or are you saying that the AP did not say that it was the White Hats that reported it?

Or don't details matter?


edit on 7/1/2018 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: ZombieZygote

Yeah it's called the truth. Geesh the Trump base is beyond reproach. See you fools at the voting booths.


Yeah...... I'm not part of the Trump base. Or any political base, seeing as they are all infested with inbred psychopaths.

The fact that you actually believe that your vote counts, let alone that exchanging one corrupt puppet for another every four to eight years can bring along positive change, leads me to believe that you have fallen hopelessly hook, line and sinker for Uncle Sam's political fishing rod. The Hegalian Dialectic has worked better than even they would have envisioned.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

I think it's high time we started focusing on the facts and the truth instead of allowing those with an agenda to lie to us. Politicians lie and we all know this -- but when did it become OK for them to lie to us? Heck, how did it get to the point where we not only know we're being lied to and we're OK with it, some people are even defending those who lie to us?

How did things deteriorate this quickly? How did lying receive thumbs up?



Quickly? How long have humans been on Earth?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: abe froman

I'll wait until someone, anyone for that matter can show Snopes as being fake. Facts are now nitpicking with the fake news bunch. Whats it like arguing in circles constantly? And moving the goal posts EVERY single time. If you support Trump just admit you love liars and hate America. We will respect you more for it.

I dislike Trump less than you pal..
You should really do some research rather than sitting there like you have some moral high ground around here. Snopes is full of it just like you.
READ!

People like you and your unbridled hate will get Trump another 4 years. Just watch...



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: toysforadults




We can do this all day or we can be sensible adults and not pick apart every little word someone says and make a big deal out of it can't we?


Do you think the president should be regarded as just another ATS member? No different? No greater responsibility to speak carefully? I don't think so.



Trump Supporters didn't elect a politician that vets everything he says through his handlers, I mean aids.

Trump Supporters voted for a grandiose personality that makes grandiose claims. Nit picking him is pointless. It's basically saying Trump is being Trump.

Most of his "lies" are exaggerations or he is misinformed. I don't mind that he speaks off the cuff. I've read through the complied list of Trump lies. Many of them are simply Trump making a political point based on how he perceives the situation.

I refuse to judge Trump based on his personality sense it was his personality that got him elected.

What I will do is judge him on his accomplishments or lack thereof. And how well he does or does not maintain his campaign promises. To date it looks like he as at least tried to follow through on all his promises.

The past administration is being investigated. Trump is trying to build a wall but the Dems won't let him. He has cracked down on illegal immigration. He signed an EO in the quickest response to public outcry that the country has ever seen. He did cut taxes. He tried to repeal and replace Obama care but again was stopped by the dems and yet he still managed to eliminate the tax penalty.

These are the only facts important to me.

And to the OP about Russia.

It's been proven that Russia has tried to sow distrust in our leadership through propaganda. Propaganda that has been negative to both sides. A divided kingdom cannot stand regardless of who is in charge. Russia cares more about keeping us divided than who sits in the Oval office.

The AP is a news spinning machine that spins to the left. The claim of non bias is a lie in itself. Spin is not necessarily a lie but it isn't really the truth either.


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:35 AM
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Lets do an AP fact check on them.

1) They have not presented any credible data on MS-13 gang violence or growth. (even politifact rate Trump's concerns abotu MS-13 as 'half true').
2) They have not presented any evidence that Russia hacked the election
3) Trump didn't say he was hiring 1,000s of judges - he said :


We shouldn’t be hiring judges by the thousands, as our ridiculous immigration laws demand, we should be changing our laws, building the Wall, hire Border Agents and Ice and not let people come into our country based on the legal phrase they are told to say as their password.


So it seems AP's fact check is just an opinion piece, with no facts.
It seems that liberals like to make lists of 'lies' which they also seem to determine on the basis of what they think or what someone else said, not what they know.
edit on 2/7/2018 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 04:19 AM
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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: abe froman

I'll wait until someone, anyone for that matter can show Snopes as being fake. Facts are now nitpicking with the fake news bunch. Whats it like arguing in circles constantly? And moving the goal posts EVERY single time. If you support Trump just admit you love liars and hate America. We will respect you more for it.

I dislike Trump less than you pal..
You should really do some research rather than sitting there like you have some moral high ground around here. Snopes is full of it just like you.
READ!

People like you and your unbridled hate will get Trump another 4 years. Just watch...


I read that article about Snopes and I am not impressed.
(a) can't disclose details because of a divorce? That is a nothing-burger against Snope per se.
(b) A(!) member of snopes did run on a non-disclosed political position? Well, the political party isn't even mentioned, only hinted at (NOT the authors own view, very obviously). Okay, but Snopes does not function a la "I do not like that fact-check, lets do another thing and no-one ever looks at that!". You need better arguments than that.

David Mikkelson, the founder of Snope, statement: "Does that mean anyone who has ever run for office is manifestly unsuited to be associated with a fact-checking endeavor, in any capacity?"
(c)

Yet, David provided no comment on how Snopes does or does not explicitly force diversity of opinion in its ad-hoc fact checking teams.
I do not think that Mr. Leetaru has a true understanding what facts are and how they are to be checked on credibility and trueness.

This article did NOT deny snopes.com the credibility to check facts in an uninfluenced and objective way.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Lets do an AP fact check on them.

1) They have not presented any credible data on MS-13 gang violence or growth. (even politifact rate Trump's concerns abotu MS-13 as 'half true').
2) They have not presented any evidence that Russia hacked the election
3) Trump didn't say he was hiring 1,000s of judges - he said :


We shouldn’t be hiring judges by the thousands, as our ridiculous immigration laws demand, we should be changing our laws, building the Wall, hire Border Agents and Ice and not let people come into our country based on the legal phrase they are told to say as their password.


So it seems AP's fact check is just an opinion piece, with no facts.
It seems that liberals like to make lists of 'lies' which they also seem to determine on the basis of what they think or what someone else said, not what they know.


A few months ago, I think it was NY Times published a "list of lies" from Trump since he's been in office. I started to read it and within the first few lines I found things they were misrepresenting, taking out of context, or flat out lying about themselves. Some of them were legit lies. Let's face it, Trump lies. But why can't they just stick to his legit lies, why do they have to exaggerate and make more things up? They're just as bad as he is.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: Kharron

The way it's perpetrated by this unobjective vindictive media is.

The media is on an anti-Trump crusade and untrustworthy themselves.

Who's fact checking the fact checkers?

Look at Snopes for example....


Are you trying to claim AP are vindictive and unobjective?

The media may do that but Reuters and AP are newswires, any journalist on a pro or anti-Trump campaign would be fired. It's vetted via tripple sourcing and incredibly strict house style.

Fact-Checks/Reality Checks, in the current form, have only been around for the last 20 years or so - but Bush/Blair, Brown/Cameron/Obama and Trump/May/Brexit face them. They've got more popular recently as it's been shown that it not only corrects audience impression, it also makes it harder for politicians to spread disinfo.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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Facts are not things that can penetrate stupid. Trumpkins do not recognize favts as they interfere with their false sense of reality. a reply to: Kharron



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: face23785

I read the same thing.

They make themselves look like fools burying real lies Trump has told by repeatedly pointing out stupid crap like how he says we pay the most taxes, which by total dollars is correct but by percentage is incorrect, something they failed to mention.

MS-13 is a problem. Why don't we worry about the problem and stop worrying about if Trump was right about them growing? Why is this even a damm issue?

Drugs, human traffickers and gang members are crossing the border. It just seems that gang members are being killed at the same rate that they are gaining new members. We know MS-13 is crossing our border, it's possible Trump didn't realize their mortality rate was so high.

If we could spend the same amount of time and energy working for bi-partisan solutions as we do nit picking everything Trump says maybe the Dems would have an actual platform and something might actually be accomplished.


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: face23785

I read the same thing.

They make themselves look like fools burying real lies Trump has told by repeatedly pointing out stupid crap like how he says we pay the most taxes, which by total dollars is correct but by percentage is incorrect, something they failed to mention.

MS-13 is a problem. Why don't we worry about the problem and stop worrying about if Trump was right about them growing? Why is this even a damm issue?

Drugs, human traffickers and gang members are crossing the border. It just seems that gang members are being killed at the same rate that they are gaining new members. We know MS-13 is crossing our border, it's possible Trump didn't realize their mortality rate was so high.

If we could spend the same amount of time and energy working for bi-partisan solutions as we do nit picking everything Trump says maybe the Dems would have an actual platform and something might actually be accomplished.



Well said. And it only further damages their credibility, that they themselves have been assaulting for years, well before Trump came along. They actually think Trump is the reason public trust in the media is at an all time low. They're as out of touch as the Democrats they shill for.



posted on Jul, 9 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: Kharron


Associated Press is a non-profit news agency known for being unbiased; in fact they are only in business still because of it.


False. And your entire OP is dependent upon this false pretense.





The Associated Press is a U.S.-based not-for-profit news agency headquartered in New York City. Founded in 1846, it operates as a cooperative, unincorporated association.

Customer service: 1 (877) 836-9477
Founded: May 22, 1846, New York City, NY
Headquarters: New York City, NY
CEO: Gary B. Pruitt
Revenue: 568.1 million USD (2015)
Subsidiaries: Associated Press Television News, Ap Italia Srl, MORE


geez, you didn't get the message that if you are a right-winger, the entire world is out to get you, and you have no bias.



posted on Jul, 9 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Kharron

I'm sure all the "Illegal" immigrants stop in to take the survey LOL

Who Knows who the "Ilegals" Are ?

Really ??????







 
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