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Is There Redemption for Kim Jong Un??

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posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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One thing at a time.

I think that if we can disarm him, he will be much easier to deal with regarding other issues, such as human rights. I think if we push too much for everything at once, we might get nothing.

And just perhaps if the NK becomes stronger economically, they might be more likely to want the rest of the world to accept them, and less inclined to take out their misfortunes on their own population.




posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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Redemption, or no, isn't up to us.

Was there, is there, redemption for Andrew Jackson?

An argument can be made that he, his father, and grandfather are what the rest of the world made them... Not one I agree with, mind you, but it could be made.

It matters not in the slightest if he's redeemable or not, he's who is there to be dealt with. It's really that simple.



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 02:02 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

supposedly Kim Jong Un was not truly in control, a puppet following orders, and its only now he has had his strings cut and is free to correct all those issues.

time will tell, but so far so good,



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 02:18 AM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat
Seriously what's the alternative?

A nuclear war with North Korea?

It seems the world is never happy. Remove dictators and we opine about how bad we are for doing so. Leave dictators in place and we opine what bad people we are.

The world is a nasty place with a lot more nasty people than just Kim... high time we get over it. If "Redemption" helps avert war and potentially leads to a better life for the poor people in NK than what exactly is so hard about swallowing that pill?


This exactly, if you cannot put a line under it you can never move forward, Kim was the latest in a line of people and was given this issue, as he has hopefully chosen its stops with him, how can you be calling for his punishment for ending it.

If he tried sooner perhaps he would have been slotted and it's the ones he got rid of who perpetuated the camps which has now allowed this change. He inherited it, cut him some slack.



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI

The jurists’ report is based on testimony from defectors and experts on the camps, believed to hold between 80,000 and 130,000 inmates. It cites evidence of systematic murder, including infanticide, and torture, persecution of Christians, rape, forced abortions, starvation and overwork leading to “countless deaths”.

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The Commission of Inquiry is mandated to look into “systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights” in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, in particular:

Violations of the right to food,
Violations associated with prison camps,
Torture and inhuman treatment,
Arbitrary detention,
Discrimination,
Violations of freedom of expression,
Violations of the right to life,
Violations of freedom of movement, and
Enforced disappearances, including in the form of abductions of nationals of other States.

Linky #2

Having watched most of the summit and follow up press conference, the media surely didn't give any slack to the PotUS regarding the many civil rights allegations that lie at the feet of KJU. They are numerous and Trump overlooked the accusations and any sort of recognition for this topic. Instead choosing to pivot into the future of whats to come.

Initial reaction from this poster is that it raises a flag. Foregoing proper justice in exchange for a better world (should denuclearization happen..this time) would seem like a rational trade-off, but does it mean we are letting go of what we as Americans stand for as a nation? A hard pill to swallow.

On the other hand, we as humans have generally tried to highlight and live by the greater good. Many of us sacrifice our lives for our families and friends and we also have relatives who've died so that freedom can stay intact.

It would be difficult to overlook, and a political nightmare, the past indiscretions of KJU but is it necessary for what may be a one shot deal at peace in the Korean Peninsula?

It sounds good, sure. Would we have done the same for past dictators? Perhaps he should stand in front of a tribunal? Lastly, were he to be removed from power, would this opportunity cease and would North Korea support the next chairman?


Of course he can be forgiven! I mean, the west was forgiven, well, not even blamed for the deaths of thousands of men, women and children in in Libya and Iraq.

It was the good old west! Fighting for freedom! So all is forgiven!



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 02:53 AM
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originally posted by: WarPig1939
Idk OP. It seems to me people are quick to dismiss the actions a known dictator that has potentially killed thousands of his own people. If the world is ok with it, then I guess he will be redeemed.

I can guarantee you he will not have the same results after he dies. He will pay with his soul in the end.


And what about the west and the thousands of people who have been killed because of our actions in Iraq and Libya? That okay because it was the west?



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 02:57 AM
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originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: DanDanDat
Seriously what's the alternative?

A nuclear war with North Korea?

It seems the world is never happy. Remove dictators and we opine about how bad we are for doing so. Leave dictators in place and we opine what bad people we are.

The world is a nasty place with a lot more nasty people than just Kim... high time we get over it. If "Redemption" helps avert war and potentially leads to a better life for the poor people in NK than what exactly is so hard about swallowing that pill?


Easy for you to say when you aren't in the position where you are being tortured day in and day out or in a death camp working for hours on end with little to no food or water because you broke an obscure law. I don't care what anyone says. The world should never tolerate or give murderous dictators any platform.

If war is required, then it is war that is necessary. If you allow people like Kim to keep his power, it will only embolden the rest of the world's tyrants.


Not as easy as that is it. The west illegally invaded Libya and Iraq. Yes they pretended it was for the good of the people, which was a complete lie only believed by the easily brainwashed and the gullible.

And how did that work out? Thousands if not millions have been killed because if those ilegal wars, and also saw the rise of terrorism.

Does that not bother you?



posted on Jun, 15 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: wakeupstupid
However it's the same as saying, "well, he only had a few people killed." It's puts America in a tight spot regarding who we'll deal with.

Seriously? We've been dealing with China and Russia and how many of their own people have those leaders murdered?

And how many murderous dictators has our very own CIA actually set up in business in little tin-pot dictatorships around the world?

The bottom line is, they are not us, and we must live in the real world as it exists, and they are in it.

Better to deal with them open and honestly, put all cards on the table (well, most).



posted on Jun, 15 2018 @ 07:51 AM
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I wonder if The Don has been so flattering to Kim because Vladimir told him to?

You know, like he probably told him to suggest letting Russia back into the G7 summit.




posted on Jun, 15 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

We have and continue to have a "positive" relationship with Saudi #ing Arabia and you think allying with North Korea could make us suddenly be selling out our country's moral fiber? We still have slavery in the form of for profit prisons and are already allied with monsters. At least in this case the goal is to tame the monster and help it transform into a human being rather than ignore its atrocities and allow it a place of absurdity on the UNs human rights council.



posted on Jun, 15 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470
5. You could almost just as easily say there is an elephant in the room regarding the human rights of other nations like China or Russia that "Trump refuses to address".

You mean like the elephant called CIA/NSA that have murdered all kinds of people and set up petty dictators all over the world who then ruled their people with terror and brutality?

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.



posted on Jun, 15 2018 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: JinMI

supposedly Kim Jong Un was not truly in control, a puppet following orders, and its only now he has had his strings cut and is free to correct all those issues.

time will tell, but so far so good,

Can you expound on that?







 
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