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The Historical Passion of Christ - What Really Happened

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: AlienVessel

You don’t seem to be at all interested in the historical history.. your not using any for your thesis lol..


You are talking dogma.. not history..

You really need to research the actual critical scholars who research ancient Judea and the ancient manuscripts...


You will never find “truth” if you are only looking at WAY later creations, visions and revisions..


For example..


Mark says jesus died the day after Passover, but Luke says it was the day before...

Who is right??? They both cannot be..

The story about the prostitute being stoned was a WAY later addition. We have many earlier manuscripts and ALL have mark end at the crucifixion.

Once Christianity became a Roman religion (100 ad or sooner) the whole religion changes..

The Jews become the bad guys, the virgin birth is added..


And all these Joseph Smith type prophets who claim they had visions take the stage..


Imho Mark is the only gospel you will find any truth in..

It is the only one with ANY chance of leading back to first person witnesses..


I don’t buy anyone who claims they had visions..

People still claim visions today and have constantly claimed that throughout history..




posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: AlienVessel
Dan Brown's book is rubbish.

Jesus never travel to Britannia ( England ), nor marry Mary and became ancestor to King Arthur.

There is no connection whatsoever between God and the royal family of England.

All kings are mortal human. No kings are divine, be it Roman Emperor or England Kings and Queens.

Bible already mentioned the Israelites were god's firstborn aka the chosen race. Not Anglo-Saxon or Normans or Celtic people.

Bible may not be historical reliable but it is certainly not as rubbish as Dan Brown's book.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: EasternShadow

Yup...

I read the illustrated edition on a vacation with the inlaws.. BIG mistake.. lol




By the end it sold me hook line and sinker.. and was fairly vocal during the trip to a bunch of practicing Catholics.. hehe..


Homie crafts a VERY convincing tale.. the problem is that none of the historical stuff is accurate either..

Man, the illustrated edition is amazing.. getting to see all the art and architecture as your reading was great..

In fact it might have been what started my research into religions.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: EasternShadow
I agree, I wasn't aware that the OP believed what Dan Brown had to say.

Below is a post about dis-info & Dan Brown that I wrote that directly relates to this topic:

reply to post by AprenticeofLight
 


Originally posted by AprenticeofLight
and which version of the bible are you refering to, the original gospels which constantine outlawed and burnt except 4 of them, or the re-written by man version we have today...

And which version of dis-info are YOU referring to?


You say that "the bible is propaganda rubbish, and cannot be trusted " while at the same time you put your trust in and base your argument on propaganda and disinformation from known Illuminati shills.

You are saying that the Bible is propaganda while USING propaganda to back up your argument.

Do you realize the absolute sheer IRONY of this?

Instead of trusting God, you are placing your trust in the Illuminati, whose CEO is the father of ALL lies.


The Da Vinci Code Claims that the four Gospels were selected by Constantine from eighty others. Brown writes: 'Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned' (p. 317). Or again: 'More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion' (p. 313). This is wrong.

Emperor Constantine - Did he remove books from the Bible?

Dan Brown has followed the classic route of disinformation artist. Having established his credibility as a concerned citizen Brown then went on to spread disinformation about some of the major themes of the Rothschild secret empire including, in his 2001 novel Deception Point, the notion that governments are hiding the truth about extraterrestrial life.

What then is the objective of establishment backed stories about secret socities? Now that the internet has allowed the cat out of the bag and people are aware of the Knights Templar; the Rosicrucians; the Freemasons; the Illuminati and the esoteric symbology they share, these organisations are attempting to influence the public's perception through controlled disinformation.

Dan Brown » Controlled Opposition

Manuscript evidence for the New Testament is remarkable, far surpassing that which exists for any other ancient book. And those who work with these ancient copies (called "textual critics") are convinced that they have been able to recover a Greek New Testament which is virtually identical to the original.

This evidence does not prove that the Bible is the word of God. But it does demonstrate conclusively that the Bible you have is the same which was first written by its authors. When Teabing (the Da Vinci Code's "historian") asserts, "History has never had a definitive version of the book" and claims that scholars cannot confirm the authenticity of the Bible, he's simply wrong.

Is the Bible true?

And the Vatican's intense propaganda continues as they simply are supplying huge payoffs to their friends in Hollywood to keep the real truth from the masses.

Let's start with screen writer Dan Brown of Da Vinci Code fame and move on to Vatican shills, movie director Ron Howard and leading actor in the film, Tom Hanks, who also starred in the Da Vinci Code.

And to factually remind American movie fans of the Vatican and Jesuit connection to this film, eye witnesses in Rome reported that in May of 2007, the trio mentioned above along with media mogul Rupert Murdoch and high level Jesuits and a Vatican Cardinal all met to discuss the film's financing.

Further, they all met to discuss important propaganda points that must be brought out in the film in order to make the black robed Vaticanites appear as innocent and white as snowflakes falling from heaven.

Looking at the group assembled, we know Brown and Murdoch have sold their souls to Lucifer and the Vatican satanists, but shouldn't Howard and Hanks do some research before accepting the Vatican's dirty money?

Vatican Propaganda Reaches All-Time High



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 12:52 PM
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As far as I know they bring down Jesus from the cross because next day was Saturday (they cannot do any work on Saturday)and like you said a crucified person do not die in one day, but they prove he was dead when the soldier cut his side. Otherwise they would have broken his legs to accelerate the dead.

Not true at all. The scriptures must be fulfilled and they say that Jesus was three days and three nights in the center of the earth. Some denominations say that Jesus was put to death on a Friday and rose on a Sunday. That would be less than two days that He was dead let alone in the center of the earth not be in agreement with the scriptures. Nice try though.

First you must understand Jewish time at this time in history. A day was counted as 12 hours from about our 6 AM to 6 PM. A night was counted as from about our 6+ PM to about the following morning at about 6AM. The night was counted as watches of about 3 hours per watch.

When you read the KJV bible you must consider that the ninth hour would be counted from 6 Am to about 3 PM. in our understanding. So it was about the 9th hour that Jesus died or in our understanding that would be about 3 PM in our afternoon.

Actually Jesus was put to death on a Wednesday afternoon at about the ninth hour of the hour day. The reason He and the others were removed from their stakes or posts was that the following day was not a Saturday but was the High Sabbath [Thursday] which was regarded as the same holiness as the regular Saturday Sabbath. So from Wednesday evening at about six + PM became the start of the 24 hour Thursday which was the High Sabbath. Now let's count the three 24 hour days and watches. Thursday from 6 PM to 6 PM = day one - Friday from 6 PM to 6 PM = day two - Saturday (regular Sabbath) from 6 PM to 6 PM = day three. Sunday was counted as the first day of the seven days week.

We as a nation celebrate Easter from Friday to Saturday which is not true at all. Regardless, the entire message here is that Jesus died on a Wednesday afternoon at about 3 PM and the next day starting at about Wednesday afternoon at about 6+ PM was The High Sabbath Holy day.

This means that Jesus' uncle, Joseph of Arimathea, and his friend, Nicodemus, had but three hours to seek an audience with Pilate to rightfully claim the body. Submit that claim to the authorities and transport the body to the tomb and then inter the body with a seal. All of this was overseen by the captain of the temple guards.





edit on 16-2-2018 by Seede because: Clarify a sentence that could be read out of context.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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God found out that he the father didn't want to pay child support?




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