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The Myth of Hell

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posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: Seede


The Jewish Timeline Encyclopedia records his prophecies beginning in 594 BCE and in the 65th and 66th chapters of Isaiah he agrees with the book of Revelation.


Pretty sure thats from mark...which is much earlier then revelation

regardless that imagery is allegorical... the writers could have meant anything





posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Soulece
I'm glad hell doesn't exist or else I'd have a very bad time when I die.


The risk of the Lake of Fire is still in operation.



posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: Soulece
I'm glad hell doesn't exist or else I'd have a very bad time when I die.


The risk of the Lake of Fire is still in operation.


I dont see any evidence why it would be.
Words are words. Fools believe in only words.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: Soulece
I'm glad hell doesn't exist or else I'd have a very bad time when I die.


The risk of the Lake of Fire is still in operation.


Yes, and the risk of boiling in the eternal pot of bowties for rejecting the Flying Spaghetti Monster is still in operation as well.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:53 AM
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I am an ordained minister, non denominational. I am also an engineer by trade. I was raised in a christian home. I have married dozens of gay couples. Love, is love. I am in no position to judge anyone else, I try to follow one simple verse. Mathew 7:1.

As of this morning, there are well over 4300 different religions that exist on this third rock from the sun. Most of these, tell you that if you don't follow them, to hell you go.

As an engineer, I see that there are only a couple of possibilities.

1. One of them is correct.

2. All of them are wrong.

Monty, I'll take door number 2.

Choose wisely my friends.

Fred..



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
I am an ordained minister, non denominational. I am also an engineer by trade. I was raised in a christian home. I have married dozens of gay couples. Love, is love. I am in no position to judge anyone else, I try to follow one simple verse. Mathew 7:1.

As of this morning, there are well over 4300 different religions that exist on this third rock from the sun. Most of these, tell you that if you don't follow them, to hell you go.

As an engineer, I see that there are only a couple of possibilities.

1. One of them is correct.

2. All of them are wrong.

Monty, I'll take door number 2.

Choose wisely my friends.

Fred..


Most religions tell of a place you go when you die.
Very few depict hell as a place of eternal punishment.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Ursushorribilis

originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
I am an ordained minister, non denominational. I am also an engineer by trade. I was raised in a christian home. I have married dozens of gay couples. Love, is love. I am in no position to judge anyone else, I try to follow one simple verse. Mathew 7:1.

As of this morning, there are well over 4300 different religions that exist on this third rock from the sun. Most of these, tell you that if you don't follow them, to hell you go.

As an engineer, I see that there are only a couple of possibilities.

1. One of them is correct.

2. All of them are wrong.

Monty, I'll take door number 2.

Choose wisely my friends.

Fred..


Most religions tell of a place you go when you die.
Very few depict hell as a place of eternal punishment.


Does more than one?

Your honor, I rest my case.

Fred..



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
I am an ordained minister, non denominational. I am also an engineer by trade. I was raised in a christian home. I have married dozens of gay couples. Love, is love. I am in no position to judge anyone else, I try to follow one simple verse. Mathew 7:1.

As of this morning, there are well over 4300 different religions that exist on this third rock from the sun. Most of these, tell you that if you don't follow them, to hell you go.

As an engineer, I see that there are only a couple of possibilities.

1. One of them is correct.

2. All of them are wrong.

Monty, I'll take door number 2.

Choose wisely my friends.

Fred..


I like the way you think. This is my problem when people say their religion is right and whatever you believe is wrong. This is my #1 issue with christians. They dont have the capacity to accept how they could be wrong because there's such a vast amount of religions out there. And theirs surely wasn't the first nor last. Acceptance you could be wrong is the path to being right.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: fredrodgers1960 I am an ordained minister, non denominational. I am also an engineer by trade. I was raised in a christian home. I have married dozens of gay couples. Love, is love. I am in no position to judge anyone else, I try to follow one simple verse. Mathew 7:1.

Well Mr. fredrodgers1960, you are part of the problem. Don't know where you bought your license to mock Jesus and really I don't care where you bought that license. Regardless of that purchase you are not of the teachings of the NT Jesus and actually have no connection to the teachings of His Apostles.

Rom 1:22-28
(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

You are shown the water but no one can make you drink of it. Your license means nothing to The Most High EL or to me.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: fredrodgers1960
Simple fact is. Even if your religious, eternal hell fire is not supported by religious texts.



posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
As an engineer, I see that there are only a couple of possibilities.

1. One of them is correct.

2. All of them are wrong.

Monty, I'll take door number 2.

Choose wisely my friends.

Fred..

You seemed to have chosen the easy way rather than trying to figure out who got it right.

Matthew 7:13,14 (between brackets is mine)

13 “Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it [the easy way]; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.[the hard way]

Proverbs 14:12

12 There is a way that seems right to a man,

But in the end it leads to death.


Proverbs 30:12

12 There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes

But has not been cleansed from its filth.* [Lit., “excrement.”]


Colossians 3:5,6 (Study Bible)

5 Deaden, therefore, your body members that are on the earth as respects sexual immorality,* uncleanness, uncontrolled sexual passion, hurtful desire, and greediness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of those things the wrath of God is coming.

*: From the Greek por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain. (Rev 14:8; 17:2; 18:3; Mt 5:32; Ac 15:29; Ga 5:19)​—See PROSTITUTE.

Since the subject came up in this thread recently:

Lake of Fire: Insight, Volume 2

This expression occurs only in the book of Revelation and is clearly symbolic. The Bible gives its own explanation and definition of the symbol by stating: “This means the second death, the lake of fire.”​—Re 20:14; 21:8.

The symbolic quality of the lake of fire is further evident from the context of references to it in the book of Revelation. Death is said to be hurled into this lake of fire. (Re 19:20; 20:14) Death obviously cannot be literally burned. Moreover, the Devil, an invisible spirit creature, is thrown into the lake. Being spirit, he cannot be hurt by literal fire.​—Re 20:10; compare Ex 3:2 and Jg 13:20.

Since the lake of fire represents “the second death” and since Revelation 20:14 says that both “death and Hades” are to be cast into it, it is evident that the lake cannot represent the death man has inherited from Adam (Ro 5:12), nor does it refer to Hades (Sheol). It must, therefore, be symbolic of another kind of death, one that is without reversal, for the record nowhere speaks of the “lake” as giving up those in it, as do Adamic death and Hades (Sheol). (Re 20:13) Thus, those not found written in “the book of life,” unrepentant opposers of God’s sovereignty, are hurled into the lake of fire, meaning eternal destruction, or the second death.​—Re 20:15.

While the foregoing texts make evident the symbolic quality of the lake of fire, it has been used by some persons to support belief in a literal place of fire and torment. Revelation 20:10 has been appealed to, because it speaks of the Devil, the wild beast, and the false prophet as being “tormented day and night forever and ever” in the lake of fire. However, this cannot refer to actual conscious torment. Those thrown into the lake of fire undergo “the second death.” (Re 20:14) In death there is no consciousness and, hence, no feeling of pain or suffering.​—Ec 9:5.

In the Scriptures fiery torment is associated with destruction and death. For example, in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures the word for torment (baʹsa·nos) is several times used with reference to punishment by death. (Eze 3:20; 32:24, 30) Similarly, concerning Babylon the Great, the book of Revelation says, “the kings of the earth . . . will weep and beat themselves in grief over her, when they look at the smoke from the burning of her, while they stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment [Gr., ba·sa·ni·smouʹ].” (Re 18:9, 10) As to the meaning of the torment, an angel later explains: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.” (Re 18:21) So, fiery torment here is parallel with destruction, and in the case of Babylon the Great, it is everlasting destruction.​—Compare Re 17:16; 18:8, 15-17, 19.

Therefore, those who are ‘tormented forever’ (from Gr., ba·sa·niʹzo) in the lake of fire undergo “second death” from which there is no resurrection. The related Greek word ba·sa·ni·stesʹ is translated ‘jailer’ in Matthew 18:34. (RS, NW, ED; compare vs 30.) Thus those hurled into the lake of fire will be held under restraint, or “jailed,” in death throughout eternity.​—See GEHENNA; TORMENT.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 (Study Bible)

5 For the living know* [Or “are conscious.”] that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

What Did Jesus Teach About Hell?

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WHAT IS “THE LAKE OF FIRE”?

Revelation 20:10 says that the Devil will be cast into “the lake of fire” and “tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (King James Version) If the Devil were to be tortured for all eternity, God would have to preserve him alive, but the Bible says that Jesus will “destroy him.” (Hebrews 2:14, KJ) The symbolic fiery lake represents “the second death.” (Revelation 21:8) This is not the death first mentioned in the Bible​—death because of Adam’s sin—​death from which one may be released by a resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:21, 22) Because the Bible does not say that “the lake of fire” would release those in it, “the second death” must mean another kind of death, an irreversible one.
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