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A very simple question that seem to stumped both atheists and evolutionists alike.

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 06:39 AM
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The 'why' is obvious...in fact, it's the whole point of this exchange. Some folks aren't interested in the pure mechanics of universal births, Big Bang and big crunch, etc. Some folks see such studies as an opportunity to reinforce the philosophy of "we are special, we have a destiny that precludes entropy and protects us from the horrifying reality of death, obscurity and futility". You could say theology is an insurance policy against the sickening joke of possessing just enough wit to appreciate our insignificance but not enough to adjust our place in the cosmic frame. The only adjustment that can be made, is to our perspective. The question here is, what does it mean to be useful as the foremost species on planet earth? This is a much more pertinent question to the matter, a question of 'why' more than 'how'. The mechanics of the universe are not quite so relevant. A fascinating study certainly, but far removed from ethics and self realization. You may as well compare the mechanics of planetary formation to health care policies. Scapegoats are a rather clumsy solution - is scapegoat the right term? Unfairly correllating phenomena with an unrelated object or person? Thats what I was going for.
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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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Even if god exists, science would be learning about god's creation. This argument makes no sense.

If God made the material world, it would appear to you as He wants it to appear. You understand nothing without knowing how God's commands manifest themselves into the material reality. The rest is only window dressing, and understanding that is only a facade.

Also, the quantum eraser experiment that built on the double slit experiment shows that the duality is not based upon interference.

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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As we all are.

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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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"If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?"

Probably not.
But the reverse is not true.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: craterman
If God made the material world, it would appear to you as He wants it to appear. You understand nothing without knowing how God's commands manifest themselves into the material reality. The rest is only window dressing, and understanding that is only a facade.


I still don't see your point. So you think god purposely set up the universe to appear natural to trick us, yet expects us to just realize it's all a facade? How exactly are we supposed to determine something like that with no way to know the truth? Why wouldn't god want us to know he's there, if he actually cares and has a plan? The only facade is free will, if god is indeed all knowing.


Also, the quantum eraser experiment that built on the double slit experiment shows that the duality is not based upon interference.


Neil DeGrasse Tyson explained that it is the act of measurement that affects it, not human consciousness. It was taken out of context by the new age movement. I will find the video for you of him explaining it.


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posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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Not really. There is testable evidence for sciences ideas. Oh and before you try it, I am NOT a atheist.



posted on Jan, 16 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: craterman
Even if god exists, science would be learning about god's creation. This argument makes no sense.

If God made the material world, it would appear to you as He wants it to appear. You understand nothing without knowing how God's commands manifest themselves into the material reality. The rest is only window dressing, and understanding that is only a facade.

Also, the quantum eraser experiment that built on the double slit experiment shows that the duality is not based upon interference.

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God has absolute control over our perception, in addition to owning our fates and physics in general. If that isn't a scary - no, completely terrifying concept, I don't know what is.

but you have failed to address the initial question. If the universe and all of its marvels require a cause, then what caused the marvel you call god?
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